1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
You're the one who is unsure I love you.
How is that, seeing you have been born from above enabling you to decipher language like no other before you?
The Wages of Sin is DEATH
- Thread starter Robert Pate
- Start date
You're the one who is unsure I love you.
How is that, seeing you have been born from above enabling you to decipher language like no other before you?
We love you OneHead
Can you say this five times real fast?
PneumaPsucheSoma
TOL Subscriber
Because whatever crossover of agape and phileo it might be, it has pathos. So it's the pathos that makes the love unsure. I'm not unsure. Your "love" is unsure.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
You're losin' it old friend.
You might need to see a doctor as you can no longer carry on a conversation.
PneumaPsucheSoma
TOL Subscriber
No, the problem is the nebulous English word "love" being thrown around by those who presume they are somehow conversing.
Ben Masada
New member
No, as there was no need for Jesus to get into that picture. HaShem had already provided a self atonement through the Law. Now, if you want to set things right with the Lord, all you need is to repent and return to the obedience of the Law. (Isaiah 1:18,19) Jesus himself confirmed it when he said that, to achieve atonement for ones'sins, we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) If you find hard to believe what I have said just above, read the quotes for clarity.
Ben Masada
New member
Who dared to make any change in the only Scriptures that Jesus used to refer to as the Word of God aka the Tanach? (Deut. 4:2) Oh yes because, of the NT, he had never even dreamed it would ever rise.
fishrovmen
Active member
I actually agree with Robert Pate here. Get out of the old covenant (Hebrews chapter 7 and 8) and read Romans 8:3,4
The Old Testament is a record of God bringing forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come.
PneumaPsucheSoma
TOL Subscriber
^ THIS. ^
Aletheiophile
New member
Amen!
Ben Masada
New member
And when he came, you made of him a Christian. The only way to make reparations for that is to promote the truth that he was Jewish and that he never had any thing to do with Christianity.
Ben Masada
New member
We have left the OT and taken possession of the New Covenant which was made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Nothing to do with Christians. (Jer. 31:31) What you are suggesting is to replace the Tanach with the gospel of Paul. No sir, that would be to adopt the idolatry of the NT. Thank you but no, thanks.
Sonnet
New member
Paul distinguishes faith from works of the law.
Sonnet
New member
Perhaps you could explain your point?
Sonnet
New member
Indeed.
Sonnet
New member
Hosea 2:23
I will plant her for myself in the land; I will show my love to the one I called ‘Not my loved one.’ I will say to those called ‘Not my people,’ ‘You are my people’; and they will say, ‘You are my God.’ ”
Sonnet
New member
What are you suggesting - that God is only interested in non-gentiles?
PneumaPsucheSoma
TOL Subscriber
Greek has a different noun structure than English. The English-patterned mind superimposes a presumed context upon whatever is translated from Greek into English, even with quality translations. Some of this includes processing nouns as verbs because of sentence structure; and it's a huge challenge for English to represent Greek anarthrous nouns, most often leaving English speakers presuming nouns are merely definite or indefinite article English nouns.
Since nouns are the person/place/thing doing all action as verbs; and since adjectives modify nouns while adverbs modify the verbs that nouns are doing; and since all other forms of language structure follows this pattern; then understanding nouns is the vital key to recognizing truth in translation.
Greek does not have indefinite article nouns (a/an), so there is no such thing as a/an for nouns. English does not have anarthrous nouns, instead resigning all anarthrous reference to adjectives and adverbs, etc. So every time an anarthrous Greek noun is referring to quality, character, and activity of an articular noun, English speakers virtually always perceive that noun to be a definite article noun, an indefinite article noun, or a verb.
Once someone can learn this basic distinction (which takes an initial understanding and then some time to apply), their patterns of thought can be conformed to what the inspired text is actually saying instead of passively and unconsciously changing what scripture says and means.
This one language structure disparity is the main cause of most tangents and binaries of doctrine, and is the foundation for the overwhelming majority of false doctrines that have emerged in the last half millennia in the Protestant sects that have proliferated because of it.
This will not go away by ignoring it or downplaying it in denial. English speakers have hearts and minds that are patterned to process word meanings in a different fashion than is presented in scripture. It's an epistemological functionality issue, and virtually everyone is blind to it because it's their epistemological pattern of (dys-)functionality.
Add in the necessary examination of individual word meaning variances, and it means a multitude are reading scripture and coming to conclusions based more on their own subjective presuppositions than objective truth presented by/from the text.
Voila... Hundreds and thousands of variations in belief, all professing to be Christian and to have THE truth.