Nanja
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Absolutely!
The Truths of TULIP are founded directly upon the scriptures 2 Tim. 3:16.
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The Unjust, Unmerciful, Unrighteous God of Calvinism
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Absolutely!
The Truths of TULIP are founded directly upon the scriptures 2 Tim. 3:16.
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:chuckle:
Then why is it you don't believe the scriptures?
"That he by the grace of God should taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9.
Nanja
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Psalm 37:12-20
The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
v.13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
v.14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow,
to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
v.15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
v.16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
v.17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
v.18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
v.19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
v.20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs:
they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
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"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" (1 Cor. 15:3-4)
I would never say TULIP is the gospel. Rather, at least for the Reformed like myself, it would be best to say that the doctrines of grace defined by the acrostic "TULIP" is presupposed rather than understood, for example...
"sins" presupposes total depravity;
"our" presupposes absolute predestination,
"died for" presupposes particular redemption;
"rose again" presupposes effectual calling and perseverance.
While I never hold that only those that affirm the doctrines of grace as understood by the Reformed as being lost, hell-bound, and sin-bent, I do believe that if one develops an understanding of these matters which undermines this theological framework he or she denies the basis of the gospel and thereby weakens their own walk of faith. This is what our old divines of the past meant by calling the doctrines of grace the gospel—they are the theological framework of the gospel.
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I'm already redeemed. Jesus is Lord and no one can say that but by the Holy Spirit.
Nanja
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There are many who, as a natural man in the flesh, by their own fleshly understanding,
will say that Jesus is Lord.
However, the only ones who have a right to call Him Lord are those who have been given
the Holy Spirit in New Birth. For they are His Elect, Chosen by God in Christ, before the
foundation of the world to obtain an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:3-11!
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beloved57
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Why don't you believe it ?
Nope! You loose.
1 Corinthians 12:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Nanja
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You're a lost man, still in the flesh; not Born of the Spirit.
The evidence of that, is that you don't believe that the Truths of TULIP is the Gospel!
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:ha: Jesus is Lord!!! You loose!!!
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bsmitts
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Firstly, sorry I had to quote your entire post, but every time I separate the different viewpoints, I submit my reply and then it logs me out and I lose my post which took up about 45 minutes. Because I have to look up scriptures and so forth. So anyway to the issue at hand. I felt compelled to reply to this post for a few reasons. So. Firstly, just to put this viewpoint about God sending people to hell to bed, you have to realize that man by his own nature is already heading toward hell. So, no. God isn't the cause for people going to hell. It's sin. Plain and simple. And as you know, sin was passed from Adam to me and you and everyone else with the exception of Christ. So that's settled. Now, as far as the atonement, I have this rule that I don't speak too much about it in that there is some mystery involved in the atonement, so I'll just say yes, Christ sacrificed himself to atone for man's sinful nature. Ok You quoted Romans 10:13 but look at the very next verse, especially the first sentence. Romans 10:14 We see here that no one can call upon him who doesn't believe first. He goes on to say how can we believe if we haven't heard and how can we hear without a preacher and how can a preacher preach except he be sent. (just paraphrasing). Anyway, I'm outta time, but I hope that helps clarify some things. Oh, by the way, as a believer, It is absolutely essential to take all scripture in its proper context. and as a believer, it is mandatory to have discernment or the ability to distinguish true and erroneous doctrines. Also. though I'm not a Calvinist, divine election and eternal security are both totally biblical and I could quote several scriptures to support that position, but for sake of time, Read John Chapter 6, John Chapter 10, and of course, in support of divine election, the much quoted Ephesians 2:8-10. Therefore, grace and faith to believe on Christ is in itself a gift from God. God Bless and Merry Christmas!
beloved57
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Your friend has yet to understand the scriptures.
I claim Jesus as Lord. No one can do that but by the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Have you noticed how few on the Forum refer to Jesus as Lord?
Jesus is Lord because he has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
Jesus is Lord because God has accepted him into heaven and made him both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36.
beloved57
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Every one is not reconciled to God since many are under God's condemnation and wrath John 3:18,36 !
False Prophet
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I read the institutes of the christian religion book I; it doesn't say all the things that you say that John Calvin preached.
Only those like yourself that do not believe in him.
"But he that does NOT believe is condemned already" John 3:18.