The Two Resurrections

[fzappa13]

The book of Revelation is all about the restoration of Israel.
The millennial kingdom is the kingdom of Israel with Christ reigning as king.
The "kingdom of priests" that will evangelize the gentiles nations are the believing remnant of Israel.

No member of the Body of Christ will be at the great white throne judgment. Do you think that you'll be there?

Okay, now that I have offered what I intended to concerning the two resurrections I will now turn to some of the ancillary offerings to this thread.

"The book of Revelation is all about the restoration of Israel."

You've made an assertion but you have offered no scriptural backing for said assertion. I would suggest that if you want someone to accept your premise you might should offer your bona fides.

"The millennial kingdom is the kingdom of Israel with Christ reigning as king."

I would offer you the same question I offered your friend. Who is YOUR king?

"The "kingdom of priests" that will evangelize the gentiles nations are the believing remnant of Israel."

Again, where's your scripture for this assertion?

"No member of the Body of Christ will be at the great white throne judgment. Do you think that you'll be there?"

Again another assertion with no scriptural back up. Is this the best you have to offer, assertions?

and before I forget ... why are you so unwilling to address the subject of the two resurrections? Kinda makes me think you've embraced a doctrine that won't allow you to touch it. You fear the subject because your doctrine affords no plausible answer I suspect.

 

[Right Divider]

Okay, now that I have offered what I intended to concerning the two resurrections I will now turn to some of the ancillary offerings to this thread.

"The book of Revelation is all about the restoration of Israel."

You've made an assertion but you have offered no scriptural backing for said assertion. I would suggest that if you want someone to accept your premise you might should offer your bona fides.

I offered some evidence earlier, which you ignored. Will you ignore additional information?

"The millennial kingdom is the kingdom of Israel with Christ reigning as king."

I would offer you the same question I offered your friend. Who is YOUR king?

As my friend mentioned, the BODY of CHRIST does not have a king. We have a HEAD.

Eph 5:23 (AKJV/PCE)​

(5:23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.​

In a figurative sense, Jesus is the king of the whole universe. But in terms of the scripture in question, Jesus is the king of Israel, i.e., the Jews.

Matt 27:11 (AKJV/PCE)​

(27:11) And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest. ​

"The "kingdom of priests" that will evangelize the gentiles nations are the believing remnant of Israel."

Again, where's your scripture for this assertion?

Again, stop ignoring what people say. God declared that Israel would be a kingdom of priests.

Exod 19:6 (AKJV/PCE)​

(19:6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. ​

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Isa 61:6 (AKJV/PCE)​

(61:6) But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.​

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Zech 8:22-23 (AKJV/PCE)​

(8:22) Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. (8:23) Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you. ​

"No member of the Body of Christ will be at the great white throne judgment. Do you think that you'll be there?"

Again another assertion with no scriptural back up. Is this the best you have to offer, assertions?

Since you IGNORED what I wrote earlier, it's easy for you to make false claims like this. You are being dishonest.

Members of the body of Christ have already been judged and found guilty. Christ died for our sins. We are crucified with Christ and raised to newness of life. We will be at the judgment seat of Christ.

Gal 2:20 (AKJV/PCE)​

(2:20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.​

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Rom 14:10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(14:10) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.​

1Cor 3:11-15 (AKJV/PCE)​

(3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (3:12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; (3:13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (3:14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. (3:15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. ​

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and before I forget ... why are you so unwilling to address the subject of the two resurrections?

I will only address it in its proper context. Since you refuse to discuss it IN ITS CONTEXT you are babbling in vain.

Kinda makes me think you've embraced a doctrine that won't allow you to touch it.

Wrong.

You fear the subject because your doctrine affords no plausible answer I suspect.

You suspect wrong.

Now go back and respond to post #38
https://theologyonline.com/threads/the-two-resurrections.60193/post-1899110

 

[fzappa13]

I offered some evidence earlier, which you ignored. Will you ignore additional information?

As my friend mentioned, the BODY of CHRIST does not have a king. We have a HEAD.

Eph 5:23 (AKJV/PCE)​

(5:23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.​

In a figurative sense, Jesus is the king of the whole universe. But in terms of the scripture in question, Jesus is the king of Israel, i.e., the Jews.

Matt 27:11 (AKJV/PCE)​

(27:11) And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest. ​

Again, stop ignoring what people say. God declared that Israel would be a kingdom of priests.

Exod 19:6 (AKJV/PCE)​

(19:6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. ​

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Isa 61:6 (AKJV/PCE)​

(61:6) But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.​

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Zech 8:22-23 (AKJV/PCE)​

(8:22) Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. (8:23) Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you. ​

Since you IGNORED what I wrote earlier, it's easy for you to make false claims like this. You are being dishonest.

Members of the body of Christ have already been judged and found guilty. Christ died for our sins. We are crucified with Christ and raised to newness of life. We will be at the judgment seat of Christ.

Gal 2:20 (AKJV/PCE)​

(2:20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.​

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Rom 14:10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(14:10) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.​

1Cor 3:11-15 (AKJV/PCE)​

(3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (3:12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; (3:13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (3:14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. (3:15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. ​

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I will only address it in its proper context. Since you refuse to discuss it IN ITS CONTEXT you are babbling in vain.

Wrong.

You suspect wrong.

Now go back and respond to post #38
https://theologyonline.com/threads/the-two-resurrections.60193/post-1899110

From your own lips you have refused to acknowledge Christ as your king. I would suggest that you reconsider but ... to each his own.

 

[Right Divider]

From your own lips you have refused to acknowledge Christ as your king. I would suggest that you reconsider but ... to each his own.

Since you are apparently not a member of the Body of Christ, I cannot expect you to have a clue.

 

[Right Divider]

@fzappa13 If you want to know how to be saved, just ask.

 

[Tambora]

Okay, now that I have offered what I intended to concerning the two resurrections I will now turn to some of the ancillary offerings to this thread.

"The book of Revelation is all about the restoration of Israel."

You've made an assertion but you have offered no scriptural backing for said assertion. I would suggest that if you want someone to accept your premise you might should offer your bona fides.

The book of Revelation is all about the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is Christ centered, not Israel centered.

Revelation 1
(1) The revelation of Jesus Christ ....

 

[Tambora]

Who is YOUR king?

1 Timothy 1 ESV
(16) But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.
(17) To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

 

[fzappa13]

1 Timothy 1 ESV
(16) But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.
(17) To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Amen.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The book of Revelation is all about the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, it is.

What is that revelation about?

It's about "the time of Jacob's Trouble."

Jacob, AKA Israel.

It is Christ centered, not Israel centered.

Saying it doesn't make it so, Tambora. Yes, the contents of the book of Revelation were given by Jesus Himself, but that doesn't put Him at the center of it, not in the way you mean it, at least.

Revelation 1
(1) The revelation of Jesus Christ ....

Keep reading, Tam. The first part of the first verse does say what it is, and who it is from, but it doesn't tell you what it's about.

Spoiler

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near. John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.” Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 1 - New King James Version

Introduction and Benediction - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things...

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"things which must shortly take place"
"for the time is near"
"tribulation"
"and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ," particularly the "Your brother and companion in the ... kingdom..." part

Jesus said He would return quickly to establish His Kingdom in.... Israel... but that there would be a tribulation, full of persecution, for the world, yes, but mostly for Israel, that they must "endure to the end" for Jesus to establish His Kingdom, a trial by fire.

"to show His servants"
"His servant John"
"I, John, ... your brother"

John was the Apostle of Jesus Christ, who along with Peter and the other of the Twelve, agreed to go ONLY to the Circumcision.... AKA Israel.

"To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood"

John refers to "us" here, referring, again, to his fellow Jews, Israel.

"the seven churches which are in Asia" (Asia here referring to what we today call "Turkey," otherwise known as "Asia Minor)

These seven locations are all in the same region of Asia minor, and was the region God SPECIFICALLY TOLD PAUL NOT TO GO INTO.

(For more on that, see Agape Kingdom Fellowship's sermon series on "Paul's 2nd Missionary Journey and Acts" on YouTube, found here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNmIagGtoQabuMGZN120ZqNwsoxVT22yA&si=yiCJGp7YPfAj76pm)

"has made us kings and priests to His God and Father"

ISRAEL was to be a priestly nation, sent to the rest of the world to preach God and His Son, a nation of priest kings. Reminds me of Melchizedek...

"One like the Son of Man"

As RD has pointed out before, Jesus' favorite new title for Himself was "Son of Man," where before He had always been known as the "Son of God." The "Son of Man" phrase is only found in the books relating directly to Israel, and is NOT found in Paul's gospels. Even in Acts, which is the transitional book between the gospels and Paul's writings, only has it once, PRIOR to the mention of Paul, in Acts 7:56.

All of this is JUST from the first chapter! There's so much more that is SPECIFICALLY related to Israel throughout the rest of the book it'll make your head spin!

The book IS IN FACT about Israel, no matter how much you may want to deny it.

 

[JudgeRightly]

1 Timothy 1 ESV
(16) But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.
(17) To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

As if that were to somehow contradict what was said earlier...

As my friend mentioned, the BODY of CHRIST does not have a king. We have a HEAD.

Eph 5:23 (AKJV/PCE)(5:23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
In a figurative sense, Jesus is the king of the whole universe. But in terms of the scripture in question, Jesus is the king of Israel, i.e., the Jews.

Matt 27:11 (AKJV/PCE)(27:11) And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.

 

[fzappa13]

I fear dispensationalism has reached the stage that it envisions two Jesuses. One for themselves and one for Israel.

 

[Gary K]

Returning to Rev 20 we move past the thousand year reign of Christ and His 1st resurrection saints to what has become known as the white throne judgement.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Here we see two sets of books consulted in this judgement; "the books" and "the book of life." Both are mentioned elswhere in both the Old and New Testaments. Here are a few offerings to flesh that thought out.

THE BOOK OF LIFE

Ex 32:
30And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Psa 69:
21They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. ...
28Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Phil 4:
3And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

There are several more mentions of the book of life in Revelation but I won't offer them here for the sake of brevity.

THE BOOKS

To this point the only other reference I have found to the plural term "the books" is in Daniel.

Dan 7:
9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Rev 20 is the only place I can find where "the book of life" and "the books" are both mentioned and differentiated. The difference between the two is not delineated in Rev 20 but, it is obvious from what is offered there that our deeds are recorded in one or both and this has some bearing on our eventual fate.

It is for this reason that I hastened to agree with Tam's notion that the first is the preeminent resurrection in that, if you want to be assured of your fate, that's the one you want. The problem is that few are anxious to pay the price for the ticket into that one and an unfortunate number of said folks have embraced a much more pain free way to be resurrected as a doctrinal preference than that proffered by the Bible as a result.
Though not relevant to the subject of this thread I can't leave Rev 20 without noting that here was the first place I encountered the notion that Hell and The Lake of Fire were two different things as the former is here cast into the latter.

The subject of another thread I suspect.

In your quote from Daniel 7 it doesn't mean there are books other than the book of life and the records of sins committed. It's the scene of judgment so why would other books be needed? The laws are already very well known.

 

[Right Divider]

I fear dispensationalism has reached the stage that it envisions two Jesuses. One for themselves and one for Israel.

In a very real way, scripture does describe two Jesus'. That is why Paul says this:

2Cor 5:14-17 (AKJV/PCE)​

(5:14) For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: (5:15) And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. (5:16) Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we [him] no more. (5:17) Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he][ is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

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We, the Body of Christ, are NOT to know Christ "after the flesh" and YET that is exactly how most of Churchianity teaches Him constantly. Constantly preaching out of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and giving Paul very little time (except when they need to teach GRACE).

Don't forget these statements from Jesus during His earthly ministry to Israel:

Matt 10:5-6 (AKJV/PCE)​

(10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: (10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ​

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Matt 15:24 (AKJV/PCE)​

(15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ​

Note that Jesus sent the twelve IN THE SAME WAY.

John 20:21 (AKJV/PCE)​

(20:21) Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you. ​

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So your "fear" is believing what the Bible plainly says.

 

[fzappa13]

In your quote from Daniel 7 it doesn't mean there are books other than the book of life and the records of sins committed. It's the scene of judgment so why would other books be needed? The laws are already very well known.

The word translated as "books" in Dan 7 is indeed plural. Whether or not that refers to "books" and/or "The book of life" is for you to decide I suppose. Having seen the two differentiated in Rev 20 that led me to scour the Bible for instances of both and offer them here.

 

[fzappa13]

In a very real way, scripture does describe two Jesus'. That is why Paul says this:

2Cor 5:14-17 (AKJV/PCE)​

(5:14) For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: (5:15) And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. (5:16) Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we [him] no more. (5:17) Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he][ is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

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We, the Body of Christ, are NOT to know Christ "after the flesh" and YET that is exactly how most of Churchianity teaches Him constantly. Constantly preaching out of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and giving Paul very little time (except when they need to teach GRACE).

Don't forget these statements from Jesus during His earthly ministry to Israel:

Matt 10:5-6 (AKJV/PCE)​

(10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: (10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ​

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Matt 15:24 (AKJV/PCE)​

(15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ​

Note that Jesus sent the twelve IN THE SAME WAY.

John 20:21 (AKJV/PCE)​

(20:21) Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you. ​

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So your "fear" is believing what the Bible plainly says.

I came upon my "fear" through deduction. The Bible clearly states repeatedly that Jesus will rule and reign on earth in Jerusalem forever. If you are with Him but not there that infers another Jesus.

 

[Gary K]

The word translated as "books" in Dan 7 is indeed plural. Whether or not that refers to "books" and/or "The book of life" is for you to decide I suppose. Having seen the two differentiated in Rev 20 that led me to scour the Bible for instances of both and offer them here.

The records of individuals sins would require separate records for separate people so multiple books would be needed for that.

 

[Right Divider]

I came upon my "fear" through deduction.

So you claim.

The Bible clearly states repeatedly that Jesus will rule and reign on earth in Jerusalem forever.

We have never denied that and boldly proclaim it!

Guess what? Jerusalem is the capital of ISRAEL!

The gentile kings will come to Jerusalem:

Rev 21:24-26 (AKJV/PCE)​

(21:24) And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. (21:25) And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. (21:26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. ​

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As I also mentioned, Isaiah spoke of this, see Isaiah 60.

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If you are with Him but not there that infers another Jesus.

Same Jesus, two different roles.

Why did you IGNORE everything that I posted? Why do you always IGNORE everything that I post?

Read this, it's important:

2Cor 5:14-17 (AKJV/PCE)​

(5:14) For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: (5:15) And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. (5:16) Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we [him] no more. (5:17) Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he][ is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

See this also:

Eph 1:6-12 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:6) To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. (1:7) In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; (1:8) Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; (1:9) Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: (1:10) That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him: (1:11) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: (1:12) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.​

 

[fzappa13]

The records of individuals sins would require separate records for separate people so multiple books would be needed for that.

This could well be. Applying that to REV 20 it could be that 'the books" are something like a ledger that is tallied and at that point it is determined if the sum justifies an entry into the "book of life.'

 

[Gary K]

This could well be. Applying that to REV 20 it could be that 'the books" are something like a ledger that is tallied and at that point it is determined if the sum justifies and entry into the "book of life.'

I agree. I think God has infinitely better technology than we do so if they are ledgers they are not actual books. John couldn't understood today's technology so he talked of it in terms he understood.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I think God has infinitely better technology

God doesn't need tecnology.

He's God, not some supercomputer.