The Son of God = God.....no question

[oatmeal]

What makes Jesus Christ God is the fact that He was conceived in the womb of the virgin

There is no need to be lurid or foolish about this, I sincerely hope nobody will be. But the God seed was placed in Mary as surely as though God had not by passed the natural process.

Whenever He is addressed in the bible "Son of God, the only begotten" Jesus Christ is being referred to as God.

To me it has always been one of the simplest truths of the bible to understand, that whatever the Father is, the Son must be also. The same in essence, in nature, and in attributes.

And that is how He is presented in the bible.

But Jesus said "flesh and blood does not reveal this but His Father in heaven" this is the dividing line between who is truly in Christ's church and who is not.

You continue to be full of opinions.

Do you have any scriptures that support your conclusions?

No, otherwise, if you were as wise a believer as you like to think you are, you would have listed them.

"Son" of God does not make Jesus God any more than "son" of God makes you or me God. I John 3:1-2, Romans 8:14

When you take scripture seriously on this subject, then you will find that your conclusions are scripturally in error. That may be one reason you do not refer to scripture, you already realize that scripture does not support your conclusions. You are guided more by peer pressure than by scripture.

You can grow out of your denial of scripture, if you want to

 

[keypurr]

Even you don't understand all this nonsense

You know nothing of the spiritual son of the most high. You only know the flesh son, your missing the meaning of many scripture verses by not seeing the truth Totton. It goes far beyond what your church will teach you.

 

[Totton Linnet]

You continue to be full of opinions.

Do you have any scriptures that support your conclusions?

No, otherwise, if you were as wise a believer as you like to think you are, you would have listed them.

"Son" of God does not make Jesus God any more than "son" of God makes you or me God. I John 3:1-2, Romans 8:14

When you take scripture seriously on this subject, then you will find that your conclusions are scripturally in error. That may be one reason you do not refer to scripture, you already realize that scripture does not support your conclusions. You are guided more by peer pressure than by scripture.

You can grow out of your denial of scripture, if you want to

You are stupid if you think Christ is a man as you are a man...you were not conceived of the Holy Ghost nor were you born of a virgin. Nobody called you the only begotten of God.

That is why you folks must stay outside the church.

 

[Totton Linnet]

You know nothing of the spiritual son of the most high. You only know the flesh son, your missing the meaning of many scripture verses by not seeing the truth Totton. It goes far beyond what your church will teach you.

You get everything back to front, it is not the flesh Christ we know today...how could we? since He was hanged on a tree.

Where you go wrong is by trying to understand scriptures with your puny intellect....

 

[Totton Linnet]

It's not nonsense, and he understands it a lot better than you clearly do.

In short, the point is, get your eyes off fleshly Isaac and look to see Who the ram is that was provided. Peace

I could find you half a dozen posts where keeps admits he knows but little.

We know much, we have the right Teacher.

 

[jamie]

Why was sinless Jesus baptized? Even John questioned that.

He set an example for God's family.

 

[jamie]

He received the Holy Spirit AND POWER. Acts 10:38.

Jesus Christ did what he did through the Father's power.

So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: "Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? (Acts 3:12 NKJV)

Men of Israel, hear these words: "Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know." (Acts 2:22 NKJV)​

 

[jamie]

He received the Holy Spirit AND POWER. Acts 10:38.

Did Jesus have the same Holy Spirit as John had from birth?

 

[Right Divider]

Why was sinless Jesus baptized? Even John questioned that.

He received the express image of God, the spirit son of the most high. He received the Holy Spirit AND POWER. Acts 10:38. The POWER is the express image, a created form of God yet not God. Jesus is the BODY prepared for Christ as mentioned in Heb 10:5. Christ is the logos in John 1, note I did not say Jesus, I said Christ.

You are seriously dumber than a box of rocks. Jesus Christ did NOT RECEIVE the express image of God, He IS the express image of God.

I have explain this to you before, but you're too dumb and proud to accept it.

The SINGLE Greek word TRANSLATED as "express image" in the KJB is 'charaktēr' which is where WE also get our English word 'CHARACTER'.

Heb 1:1-4 KJV God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
​

BEING not receiving, you sad sorry anti-Christ!

Jesus Christ IS the CHARACTER of the PERSON of God.

1Ti_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1Ti_2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti_4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Tit_1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Tit_1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Tit_2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Tit_2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit_3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
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There is ONLY ONE savior keypurr, and that is GOD!

 

[RBBI]

I could find you half a dozen posts where keeps admits he knows but little.

We know much, we have the right Teacher.

And so you lambast someone for having humility?

 

[Totton Linnet]

And so you lambast someone for having humility?

Yes but after his humble and honest admission he catches hold of his lapels and goes into one of his tangled up and confused lectures explaining more and more about less and less and nothing of nothing......

It is just garbled nonsense. It wouldn't save a worm.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Yes but after his humble and honest admission he catches hold of his lapels and goes into one of his tangled up and confused lectures explaining more and more about less and less and nothing of nothing......

It is just garbled nonsense. It wouldn't save a worm.

The meat of the word is meant for the mature who are receiving their salvation.

Those who understand it are a comfort and strengthening to one another.

If you don't get it, there is only one way.

Ask and believe that God rewards those who diligently seek him.

Keepurr is absolutely correct when he says you must leave behind all the doctrines you have been taught by men.

As well as all those places your imagination can take you as it launches off false teachings.

 

[Totton Linnet]

The meat of the word is meant for the mature who are receiving their salvation.

Those who understand it are a comfort and strengthening to one another.

If you don't get it, there is only one way.

Ask and believe that God rewards those who diligently seek him.

Keepurr is absolutely correct when he says you must leave behind all the doctrines you have been taught by men.

As well as all those places your imagination can take you as it launches off false teachings.

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It's gristle even keeps can't chew it.

The irony is that keeps gets all his garble from lectures and obscure teachers.

We are taught of God and are in agreement with each other and with the apostles in proclaiming Christ as Lord and God.

The true church always has. You boys are just the rag tag and bobtail

 

[patrick jane]

The meat of the word is meant for the mature who are receiving their salvation.

Those who understand it are a comfort and strengthening to one another.

If you don't get it, there is only one way.

Ask and believe that God rewards those who diligently seek him.

Keepurr is absolutely correct when he says you must leave behind all the doctrines you have been taught by men.

As well as all those places your imagination can take you as it launches off false teachings.

ya know, it just occurred to me and i never asked you - are you JW ?

 

[RBBI]

You are seriously dumber than a box of rocks. Jesus Christ did NOT RECEIVE the express image of God, He IS the express image of God.

I have explain this to you before, but you're too dumb and proud to accept it.

The SINGLE Greek word TRANSLATED as "express image" in the KJB is 'charaktēr' which is where WE also get our English word 'CHARACTER'.

Heb 1:1-4 KJV God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
​

BEING not receiving, you sad sorry anti-Christ!

Jesus Christ IS the CHARACTER of the PERSON of God.

1Ti_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1Ti_2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti_4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Tit_1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Tit_1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Tit_2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Tit_2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit_3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
​

There is ONLY ONE savior keypurr, and that is GOD!

Wrong. The word character, as in a person's quality is NOT what is meant by image here. Keeping in mind that the whole "NT" was written in Hebrew originally, going back to the origin of the word in Genesis 1 you find the intended meaning comes from a Hebrew root word meaning, "to shade". Interestingly, it is related to a word that means, "shadow" and "phantom".

Add to that the Hebrew word for likeness, means "to become like and to imagine, to think". When you keep digging in both languages, you will find the concept of engraving, carving, a WRITING CHARACTER = a letter.

And if you dig even deeper, you'll find that the ancients used cylindrical earthen clay tablets which had a seal on them. Cylindrical, sort of like a clay tablet of MAN, who receives the seal of the Holy Ghost.

This seal, was shed forth from the SEED Christ, who sits at the right hand of the Father, LIKE A SIGNET RING in thought, who then is used to put the King's seal on "pieces of EARTH" He has purchased.

We were bought with a price, and sealed with the King's seal, and promised He would return and claim His possession and live therein in a house made without hands = Christ the SEED fully formed IN US. Know ye not ye are the temple of the living God?

That first cornerstone IS, and will never change, the revelation of who the Son of God really is, and flesh and blood (not even of the clay image that was Yeshua) which cannot enter the kingdom (common sense; what was the kingdom shown to be in my post above? A SPIRITUAL BODY) cannot reveal it to you, only the Father can.

Now before labeling Keypurr as too dumb and proud to accept what is a tradition of MEN, who are HIRELINGS, not shepherds, and who are about to be exposed soon in judgment for the sin of David (desiring a wife/soul who was not his and murdering her HUSBAND to get her)..........perhaps you should take that rebuke yourself and go to the FATHER in humility as he has done, and ASK him yourself, who the Son is: the clay tablet or the Spirit Seed? Peace

 

[RBBI]

Yes but after his humble and honest admission he catches hold of his lapels and goes into one of his tangled up and confused lectures explaining more and more about less and less and nothing of nothing......

It is just garbled nonsense. It wouldn't save a worm.

Well, Jacob, you worm, you better hope you receive it at some point, because it is EXACTLY what will save you and with maturity, turn you into an Israel, prince of God.

 

[RBBI]

The meat of the word is meant for the mature who are receiving their salvation.

Those who understand it are a comfort and strengthening to one another.

If you don't get it, there is only one way.

Ask and believe that God rewards those who diligently seek him.

Keepurr is absolutely correct when he says you must leave behind all the doctrines you have been taught by men.

As well as all those places your imagination can take you as it launches off false teachings.

Thank you HaShem for your wisdom.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Wrong. The word character, as in a person's quality is NOT what is meant by image here. Keeping in mind that the whole "NT" was written in Hebrew originally, going back to the origin of the word in Genesis 1 you find the intended meaning comes from a Hebrew root word meaning, "to shade". Interestingly, it is related to a word that means, "shadow" and "phantom".

Add to that the Hebrew word for likeness, means "to become like and to imagine, to think". When you keep digging in both languages, you will find the concept of engraving, carving, a WRITING CHARACTER = a letter.

And if you dig even deeper, you'll find that the ancients used cylindrical earthen clay tablets which had a seal on them. Cylindrical, sort of like a clay tablet of MAN, who receives the seal of the Holy Ghost.

This seal, was shed forth from the SEED Christ, who sits at the right hand of the Father, LIKE A SIGNET RING in thought, who then is used to put the King's seal on "pieces of EARTH" He has purchased.

We were bought with a price, and sealed with the King's seal, and promised He would return and claim His possession and live therein in a house made without hands = Christ the SEED fully formed IN US. Know ye not ye are the temple of the living God?

That first cornerstone IS, and will never change, the revelation of who the Son of God really is, and flesh and blood (not even of the clay image that was Yeshua) which cannot enter the kingdom (common sense; what was the kingdom shown to be in my post above? A SPIRITUAL BODY) cannot reveal it to you, only the Father can.

Now before labeling Keypurr as too dumb and proud to accept what is a tradition of MEN, who are HIRELINGS, not shepherds, and who are about to be exposed soon in judgment for the sin of David (desiring a wife/soul who was not his and murdering her HUSBAND to get her)..........perhaps you should take that rebuke yourself and go to the FATHER in humility as he has done, and ASK him yourself, who the Son is: the clay tablet or the Spirit Seed? Peace

The problem is you do not have Christ, you do not have His life. That is why you keep digging around for ever more obscure interpretations.

When you receive Christ you will know that He is God.

 

[1Way1Truth1Life]

Y - Hand
H - Behold
W- Nail
H - Behold

Jesus is God.

 

[RBBI]

The problem is you do not have Christ, you do not have His life. That is why you keep digging around for ever more obscure interpretations.

When you receive Christ you will know that He is God.

This is how you test the spirits (not by your carnal reasoning and personal predilections): if any man can confess that Christ has come in HIS flesh. Well, He came in my flesh 30 years ago. Peace