The Simplicity of the Gospel and the Complexity of Religion

Bright Raven

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That proves you are a bunch of hot air who just rejects the Gospel!
John 8:44 Modern English Version (MEV)

44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 

j4jesus09

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Why are we arguing back and forth? Are we really hoping we can enlighten each other or more concerned with who is right? Tearing at each other's throat makes no godly sense. Especially since both parties believe they are saved!!
 

Robert Pate

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Why are we arguing back and forth? Are we really hoping we can enlighten each other or more concerned with who is right? Tearing at each other's throat makes no godly sense. Especially since both parties believe they are saved!!


You cannot reject the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ and be saved.

We are saved by simple faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus, plus nothing. If you add anything to the Gospel you have perverted it.
 

beloved57

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You cannot reject the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ and be saved.

We are saved by simple faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus, plus nothing. If you add anything to the Gospel you have perverted it.

You don't believe the Gospel, you reject it daily, Truths of Tulip!
 

aikido7

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Jesus came preaching the coming/present Kingdom of God. What came instead was the church.

In Paul's day, the early believers held all things in common and were decidedly nonviolent. Engels and Lenin praised their early society and culture. When the church was co-opted by the Roman Empire, the religion changed into a bureaucratic salvation machine with a God more like a divine vending machine than a unknowable, sacred reality.
 

Robert Pate

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Jesus came preaching the coming/present Kingdom of God. What came instead was the church.

In Paul's day, the early believers held all things in common and were decidedly nonviolent. Engels and Lenin praised their early society and culture. When the church was co-opted by the Roman Empire, the religion changed into a bureaucratic salvation machine with a God more like a divine vending machine than a unknowable, sacred reality.

Sounds like the Roman Catholic church.
 

aikido7

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There were some that believed in the Gospel and justification by faith, but they didn't last very long.
Those forgotten traditions are still carried on by many who are Christians. There are even many on this very website.

The reason Christianity is so diverse is that the New Testament contains remembered history, oral traditions, diverse theologies, metaphor, myth and legends. It's a scattershot as to finding a dominant voice from all of the inspired writings.

In fact, looking around us, it really cannot be done.
 

Robert Pate

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Keep studying. The "Catholic Church" is simply that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself as it had already commonly come to be spoken of by the end of the 1st century A.D.



Gaudium de veritate,

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You have replaced Christ and his Gospel with the Catholic church.
 

Robert Pate

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Those forgotten traditions are still carried on by many who are Christians. There are even many on this very website.

The reason Christianity is so diverse is that the New Testament contains remembered history, oral traditions, diverse theologies, metaphor, myth and legends. It's a scattershot as to finding a dominant voice from all of the inspired writings.

In fact, looking around us, it really cannot be done.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ can easily be found in the scriptures. Unfortunately, many prefer to believe what they want.
 

aikido7

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The Gospel of Jesus Christ can easily be found in the scriptures. Unfortunately, many prefer to believe what they want.

There is the gospel of Jesus (his parabolic speech about the Kingdom of God) and then there is the gospel of Christ (what Jesus became to the church after he died).

I believe that God is revealed in the person of Jesus. To me, that's Christianity.

Instead of requiring "true" believers to give their assent to a list of ancient, outmoded beliefs from ancient times, we need to realize that a follower of Jesus needs to pick up their cross and follow him.

Anyone, anywhere, anytime can claim belief in theology like "born of a virgin," "Savior of the World," etc. It's no moral skin off anyone's nose to do that.
 
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