The Simple Process of Salvation Refutes All Religions

[Robert Pate]

You are scatterbrained, teaching that salvation must be accepted by the will of man.

That's salvation by works, the false gospel that Paul warned about Gal. 1:8!

Paul taught that Salvation is solely by God's Grace, not by works a man does!

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works,
but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Calvinism is outside of the faith. Paul never taught that God predestinates people to heaven or to hell. There is not one scripture where God has predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. You don't have faith in God, what you have faith in is a religion and a doctrine. To not believe that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the world, is to believe that Jesus is not Lord. This is what it is really all about, you are anti-Christ.

 

[jamie]

Calvinism is outside of the faith. Paul never taught that God predestinates people to heaven or to hell. There is not one scripture where God has predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell. You don't have faith in God, what you have faith in is a religion and a doctrine. To not believe that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the world, is to believe that Jesus is not Lord. This is what it is really all about, you are anti-Christ.

Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, "God, I thank You that I am not like other men — extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector."

 

[God's Truth]

People are brought to Christ by hearing and believing the Gospel, plus nothing.

Those who hear and believe what Jesus has done to save them are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and are born again. They are born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. Not all who hear the Gospel believe it.

"For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2.

They heard it, but they did not believe it. They heard that Jesus had atoned for their sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. But they probably said, "That's impossible, or Jesus was just a good man, and not able to save anyone". Whatever it was they did not believe it. What do people do that hear the Gospel but do not believe it? My guess is that they become religious. Who are these people that do not believe the Gospel. Calvinist do not believe the Gospel, nor do Catholics believe the Gospel, plus many other religions. Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14.

"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17, which is the Gospel.

"This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

Both of the above scriptures are about hearing and believing the Gospel. There is something about hearing that is a mystery. When the word of God enters ones head it has an effect upon the one that is hearing. They will either accept or reject what they have heard. This is what Paul is saying in Hebrews 4:2. Some heard and believed, others heard but did not believe. Those that believe are effected by what they have heard. The Gospel calls for a response. How can one hear that Christ died for their sins and not respond? It happens. Its called rejecting the Gospel.

God is zealous for his Son Jesus Christ. Those that reject Christ and his Gospel are under the wrath of God. "For we which have believed do enter into his rest, as he has said, "As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest": although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Hebrews 4:3. "For he that has entered into his rest, he has also ceased from his own works (religion) as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

Those that hear and believe the Gospel are resting in Christ and his Gospel. In the Gospel no one needs to be predestinated. In the Gospel no one needs to Join the Catholic church. In the Gospel we are perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Jesus says to obey him, to repent of your sins.

That is what one has to do. That is what we have to preach.

 

[Robert Pate]

Jesus says to obey him, to repent of your sins.

That is what one has to do. That is what we have to preach.

You are in denial of the Gospel and justification by faith.

Jesus came into the world to save sinners. He saves them by doing for them what they cannot do for themselves.

 

[God's Truth]

You are in denial of the Gospel and justification by faith.

Jesus came into the world to save sinners. He saves them by doing for them what they cannot do for themselves.

The saved are those who repented of their sins and call on him to help.

 

[beloved57]

People are brought to Christ by hearing and believing the Gospel, plus nothing.

Those who hear and believe what Jesus has done to save them are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and are born again. They are born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. Not all who hear the Gospel believe it.

"For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2.

They heard it, but they did not believe it. They heard that Jesus had atoned for their sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. But they probably said, "That's impossible, or Jesus was just a good man, and not able to save anyone". Whatever it was they did not believe it. What do people do that hear the Gospel but do not believe it? My guess is that they become religious. Who are these people that do not believe the Gospel. Calvinist do not believe the Gospel, nor do Catholics believe the Gospel, plus many other religions. Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14.

"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17, which is the Gospel.

"This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

Both of the above scriptures are about hearing and believing the Gospel. There is something about hearing that is a mystery. When the word of God enters ones head it has an effect upon the one that is hearing. They will either accept or reject what they have heard. This is what Paul is saying in Hebrews 4:2. Some heard and believed, others heard but did not believe. Those that believe are effected by what they have heard. The Gospel calls for a response. How can one hear that Christ died for their sins and not respond? It happens. Its called rejecting the Gospel.

God is zealous for his Son Jesus Christ. Those that reject Christ and his Gospel are under the wrath of God. "For we which have believed do enter into his rest, as he has said, "As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest": although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Hebrews 4:3. "For he that has entered into his rest, he has also ceased from his own works (religion) as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

Those that hear and believe the Gospel are resting in Christ and his Gospel. In the Gospel no one needs to be predestinated. In the Gospel no one needs to Join the Catholic church. In the Gospel we are perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

You teach that millions upon millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief. That is not the Gospel.

 

[Robert Pate]

You teach that millions upon millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief. That is not the Gospel.

God imposes salvation on no one. If he did that would make him unjust.

This is why Paul wrote, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Let me put that in another way for you.

Whosoever that does not call on the name of the Lord shall be lost.

 

[Nanja]

God imposes salvation on no one. If he did that would make him unjust.

This is why Paul wrote, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Let me put that in another way for you.

Whosoever that does not call on the name of the Lord shall be lost.

It's only God's Elect, the Saved 2 Tim. 1:9, which shall call upon the Name of the Lord in a way that pleases Him.

But none of the wicked can Rom. 8:8.


Is. 64:6-7
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.


Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

~~~~~

 

[beloved57]

God imposes salvation on no one. If he did that would make him unjust.

This is why Paul wrote, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Let me put that in another way for you.

Whosoever that does not call on the name of the Lord shall be lost.

Promoting salvation by works, by what a person does, that is antichrist.

 

[Robert Pate]

It's only God's Elect, the Saved 2 Tim. 1:9, which shall call upon the Name of the Lord in a way that pleases Him.

But none of the wicked can Rom. 8:8.


Is. 64:6-7
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.


Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners.

If you have already been predestinated to salvation by God, then you probably don't need Jesus Christ.

If you have already been predestinated then you don't need to call on the name of the Lord.

Isn't that what it is really all about, being saved with out Christ?

 

[patrick jane]

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners.

If you have already been predestinated to salvation by God, then you probably don't need Jesus Christ.

If you have already been predestinated then you don't need to call on the name of the Lord.

Isn't that what it is really all about, being saved with out Christ?

Yes. Nanja thinks that Jesus only died for the special elect, like her. It's a sad religion

 

[beloved57]

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners.

If you have already been predestinated to salvation by God, then you probably don't need Jesus Christ.

If you have already been predestinated then you don't need to call on the name of the Lord.

Isn't that what it is really all about, being saved with out Christ?

Foolish talking. You teach that millions for whom Christ died wind up in hell lost and unsaved. So it's evident u don't believe that Christ death saved them He died for. That's unbelief

 

[beloved57]

Yes. Nanja thinks that Jesus only died for the special elect, like her. It's a sad religion

Yes, them God Loved and Christ died for are special to them.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, them God Loved and Christ died for are special to them.

The Pharisees also thought that they were God's special chosen ones. To see what he thought of them read Matthew 23.

 

[Nanja]

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners.

Just Particular sinners, His People; a Peculiar People.

Titus 2:13-14
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Greek word for peculiar is periousios:

1. that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
A. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession


Mat. 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

And His People Christ came to Save are same ones referred to as the "all men" of John 12:32; His Sheep John 10:11.15.


Now is that inclusive of all the people in the whole world of mankind?


No. Only the many given Him of the Father:

John 17:1-2
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

The Children of God by Election from the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4-5.


But all the rest of mankind are NOT His people that He came to save, but they are the cursed seed of the devil.

Mat. 13:38-39
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.


Mat. 25:32-34, 41
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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[Robert Pate]

Just Particular sinners, His People; a Peculiar People.

Titus 2:13-14
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Greek word for peculiar is periousios:

1. that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
A. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession


Mat. 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

And His People Christ came to Save are same ones referred to as the "all men" of John 12:32; His Sheep John 10:11.15.


Now is that inclusive of all the people in the whole world of mankind?


No. Only the many given Him of the Father:

John 17:1-2
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

The Children of God by Election from the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4-5.


But all the rest of mankind are NOT His people that He came to save, but they are the cursed seed of the devil.

Mat. 13:38-39
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.


Mat. 25:32-34, 41
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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Everyone in the world is God's people, because he died for everyone.

"That he by the grace of God should taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.

You need to accept what the Bible says, not what some heretic said back in the 1500's.

 

[Ben Masada]

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[Ben Masada]

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[Nanja]

Everyone in the world is God's people, because he died for everyone.

"That he by the grace of God should taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.

You need to accept what the Bible says, not what some heretic said back in the 1500's.

Your ignorant response, in spite of the scriptures which I posted, bears evidence of your lost condition.

2 Cor. 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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[Ben Masada]

The Simple Process of Salvation Refutes All Religions.

You are probably right because I am of the same mind that we don't need religions to get saved of all troubles that happen as a result of transgressions of the laws.