The Serpent in the Wilderness

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Ben Masada

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beameup said:
So, your understand of God is that he is a trickster, like the Viking God Loki? He plants yearnings for a "perfect world" and a sense of immortality, only to prohibit the fulfillment of these yearnings?
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Can you be so kind as to provide us with a quote for evidence that caused yearnings to grow in your mind about eternal life? I think you are to blame for yearnings for eternal life when reading the Scriptures that says nothing about eternal life. The opposite is rather true if you read Genesis 3:22 and Psalm 49:12,20.
 
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The N/T also teaches that it is better to suffer for the sake of righteousness than for doing wrong. For instance if it just so happens to be the first century, and you are engaged in attempts to overthrow Roman rule because of taxation you disagree with, then you should expect to be crucified as an example for other potential rebels if and when they catch you. It is not rocket science but it also is not so comparable with Golgotha as you are trying to make it sound. And who was it that crucified 800 Pharisees at one time while he feasted with his concubines? Oh, wait, that was Alexander Jannaeus eliminating his political enemies for sport. :chuckle:
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Thank you for the very good example that with crucifixion the Romans used to punish attempts to overthrow Roman rule. Indeed, one expects to be crucified as an example for other potential rebels when caught. That's almost what happened to Jesus whom his disciples were acclaiming him king of the Jews in Jerusalem. (Luke 19:37-40) He was caught and, soon later was brought to trial before Pilate and taken to the cross with a verdict that he was being acclaimed king of the Jews in a Roman province whose king
was Caesar. The verdict read INRI and Pilate had commanded that it be nailed on the top of Jesus' cross so that every one could read and know why Jesus was crucified. I guess it didn't help because to this very day people still blame the Jews for the
crucifixion of Jesus.
 
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Ben Masada said:
Can you be so kind as to provide us with a quote for evidence that caused yearnings to grow in your mind about eternal life? I think you are to blame for yearnings for eternal life when reading the Scriptures that says nothing about eternal life. The opposite is rather true if you read Genesis 3:22 and Psalm 49:12,20.
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The "sense" of a "perfect world" is inbred into humankind, it is not something you "have to learn". Why on earth would Jews have a belief in "Tikkun olam" when their "god" is a perfect being and "above it all" and the creator of such an imperfect world, where one just lives his life and vanishes forever?

Very young children have an inbred sense of right and wrong, that the world is quite "unfair", can be very "unhospitable", and they have a dream of a "perfect world". It is not something that has to be "taught" or read in a book.

The Creator has planted eternity in the heart of man - from Ecclesiastes 3:11
 
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Ben Masada said:
So, whoever wrote that interpretation of yours in the gospels was simply taking advantage of the "open season" and plagiarized that Jewish text to be pointing to the crucifixion of Jesus as if Jesus had been the only Jew to be crucified by the Romans. Read "The Wars of the Jews" by Josephus. The Romans crucified thousands of Jews in the First Century in no different manner as they did to Jesus. Well, I have closed the season. No more plagiarizing. Every festival is celebrated in Israel in memory of something in passed Jewish life. Why should the serpent of bronze point to the crucifixion of Jesus in the future and not to the captivity of the Israelites
in the past?
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Jesus didn't say that this event pointed to the crucifixion. Where are you getting that Ben?
 
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Ben Masada said:
Many Christians have told me so. Besides, Jesus did not say more than 20% of what is claimed about him in the NT IMO.
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All you have are worthless opinions about Jesus.

You do not have knowledge only worthless opinions.

Jesus tells you how to get knowledge if you want it.
 
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beameup said:
The "sense" of a "perfect world" is inbred into humankind, it is not something you "have to learn". Why on earth would Jews have a belief in "Tikkun olam" when their "god" is a perfect being and "above it all" and the creator of such an imperfect world, where one just lives his life and vanishes forever?

Very young children have an inbred sense of right and wrong, that the world is quite "unfair", can be very "unhospitable", and they have a dream of a "perfect world". It is not something that has to be "taught" or read in a book. The Creator has planted eternity in the heart of man- from Ecclesiastes 3:11
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What the author of Ecclesiastes means in 3:11 is that HaShem, as a result of having created man and man went after many illusions, He is blamed with having furnished man with illusions. Another example, HaShem created man who created evil, it means that indirectly, HaShem created evil and planted in the heart of man the desire to live forever. The Scriptures also say that HaShem created darkness when darkness is only the absence of light; but because HaShem created light, He is also blamed with having created darkness though indirectly. As darkness is the opposite of light, we ourselves can create darkness but turning the light off.
 
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Ben Masada said:
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The "sense" of a "perfect world" is inbred into humankind, it is not something you "have to learn". Why on earth would Jews have a belief in "Tikkun olam" when their "god" is a perfect being and "above it all" and the creator of such an imperfect world, where one just lives his life and vanishes forever?

Very young children have an inbred sense of right and wrong, that the world is quite "unfair", can be very "unhospitable", and they have a dream of a "perfect world". It is not something that has to be "taught" or read in a book. Just "where" does this knowledge come from?
 
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beameup said:
The "sense" of a "perfect world" is inbred into humankind, it is not something
you "have to learn". Why on earth would Jews have a belief in "Tikkun olam" when their "god" is a perfect being and "above it all" and the creator of such an imperfect world, where one just lives his life and vanishes forever?
Very young children have an inbred sense of right and wrong, that the world is quite "unfair", can be very "unhospitable", and they have a dream of a "perfect world". It is not something that has to be "taught" or read in a book. Just "where" does this knowledge come from?
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Don't let "Tikum Olam bother you! The "Olam haba" is the Olam of Sheol and, the only tikum is towards absolute equality between man and man. That's when all differences between us will be erased forever in our eternal home if you read Psalm 49:12,20.
 
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