elohiym
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I disagree. That's not how the Lamb of God takes away the sins of the world. No wonder we aren't seeing things similarly.
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I disagree. That's not how the Lamb of God takes away the sins of the world. No wonder we aren't seeing things similarly.
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No wonder, indeed.
What religious persuasion are you? Whatever it is, I don't recognize it.
1PeaceMaker
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I've never heard this one used in sermons or Sabbath-school lessons. But it makes sense based on the rest of the Bible.
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Why not just speak the title of it? Your link didn't work.
Never mind. I am not really interested in knowing.
elohiym
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Fixed.
It's just a link to the Wikipedia entry on Atonement in Christianity since you seem unfamiliar with the different atonement theories in Christianity.
If you are not interested, ignore it. :idunno:
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I did. Jesus said: "If I be lifted up I will draw all men upon Me". Picking fly c... out of pepper isn't doing that.
elohiym
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The LORD said: "But everyone will die for his own iniquity..."
That's what you call trying to sort through competing atonement theories?
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Say a sinners prayer. Commit your life to Jesus Christ. Ask to be born again for His teaching to have a bearing on your thinking.
elohiym
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Why? Do you say it, and how often?
I'm in His hand.
"... and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand."
Ask to be born again? Not possible.
John 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Proof CR is outside the faith. He doesn't believe.
In his world, if he maintains his relationship from his effort, then he will be saved. And as rulz also states (they agree), like marriage, the relationship is reversible.
I want to know if you agree with the following statements. I think you do, but want full confirmation.
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Good grief!
elohiym
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Then why an alter call for the unsaved; one convicted of his sins. Does he need to be saved before asking for his salvation? You seem to think so.
2 Corinthians 5
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
You don't believe this part, therefore you do not enter into life. If you believed, you would be sealed.
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Better stated is that you don't understand what Paul was referring to, i.e., Redemption . . . NOT salvation.
While Redemption you had nothing to do with, salvation you must believe for. Jesus didn't make a way for you to believe but only the way that you MIGHT receive it. That is what redemption is about.
We just covered his, and there you go again.
Ephesians 1
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
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Eph 1 is not 2Cor 5 except maybe in your mind. With that limitation willfully imposed upon yourself, discussion is therefore, impossible.
You said altar call was because of conviction of sin. "Christians" wrongly say this all the time, and I showed you were Paul says you are wrong. The Holy Spirit is not convicting of sin. God is not imputing trespasses. The guilty feeling is the weight of the law that people worship.