The Representative and Substitutionary Work of Christ on Our Behalf

Robert Pate

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That's a lie, Paul Preached the Gospel according to the scriptures, 1Cor 15:3-4, that would be the OT scriptures !

Besides that, you don't believe the Gospel!

The Gospel came into the world on the day of Pentecost, not before. Read Acts 2.
 

Robert Pate

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Pauls Gospel was according to the scriptures 1 Cor 15:3 thats the OT scriptures in His Day ! You are in darkness !

Paul wrote 1 Corinthians after the Gospel had been revealed to him, Galatians 1:11, 12.

You have little to no knowledge of the Bible.
 

patrick jane

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In the new covenant you can no longer blame your sins and transgressions on Adam: every man shall die for his own sins according to the Scripture.

We can blame sin and a fallen world on Adam and Eve. Jesus is the end of the law. Romans 10:4 KJV -
 

daqq

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The Gospel came into the world on the day of Pentecost, not before. Read Acts 2.

The true Gospel came into the world when it was first preached:

Matthew 3:1-2
1. In those days came Yochanan the Immerser preaching in the desert of Yhudah:
2. And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of the heavens is at hand!

Matthew 4:17
17. From that time Yeshua began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of the heavens is at hand!

Mark 1:1
1. The beginning of the gospel of Messiah Yeshua, Son of God:

Mark 1:14-15
14. Now after that Yochanan was delivered up, Yeshua came into the Galilees, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of Elohim:
15. And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of Elohim is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel!

1 Corinthians 3:10-11
10. According to the grace of Elohim which was given unto me, as a wise maste-builder I laid a foundation; and another buildeth thereon. But let each man take heed how he buildeth thereon:
11. For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Messiah Yeshua.


You appear to think that Paul has his own foundation separate from the Gospel accounts but he tells his readers that Messiah Yeshua is the foundation upon which his own doctrinal foundations are laid. The only way that this can truly be possible is if Paul laid a foundation based upon the Testimony of Yeshua. And if Paul lays his foundation by way of the foundation of the Testimony of Yeshua then you cannot be correct in your rationalizations and extrapolations from what you read. You have essentially carved out for yourself a separate dispensation which does not actually exist anywhere else except within your own mind. Even if the "gospel of Paul" did come about solely by the new revelations which he received; how can you possibly think that Paul would believe his own gospel superseded or displaced the Gospel that Messiah preaches and heralds in the Gospel accounts? There is no way Paul would have believed any such thing.
 

jamie

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The Gospel came into the world on the day of Pentecost, not before. Read Acts 2.

For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. (Hebrews 4:2 NKJV)​

The fault with the Sinaitic covenant was not the covenant, it was the people.

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience... (Hebrews 4:6 NKJV)

There remains therefore a rest (Sabbath) for the people of God. (Hebrews 4:9 NKJV)​

The gospel preached to disobedient Israel referred to the kingdom of God, the seventh day rest pictured by the weekly Sabbath for the people of God.
 

Robert Pate

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For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. (Hebrews 4:2 NKJV)​

The fault with the Sinaitic covenant was not the covenant, it was the people.

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience... (Hebrews 4:6 NKJV)

There remains therefore a rest (Sabbath) for the people of God. (Hebrews 4:9 NKJV)​

The gospel preached to disobedient Israel referred to the kingdom of God, the seventh day rest pictured by the weekly Sabbath for the people of God.

My Bible says that they did not enter in because of unbelief.

Same thing for today. They do not enter into his rest because they do not believe the Gospel. They have not ceased from their works (religion) Hebrews 4:10.
 

Robert Pate

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The true Gospel came into the world when it was first preached:

Matthew 3:1-2
1. In those days came Yochanan the Immerser preaching in the desert of Yhudah:
2. And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of the heavens is at hand!

Matthew 4:17
17. From that time Yeshua began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of the heavens is at hand!

Mark 1:1
1. The beginning of the gospel of Messiah Yeshua, Son of God:

Mark 1:14-15
14. Now after that Yochanan was delivered up, Yeshua came into the Galilees, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of Elohim:
15. And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of Elohim is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel!

1 Corinthians 3:10-11
10. According to the grace of Elohim which was given unto me, as a wise maste-builder I laid a foundation; and another buildeth thereon. But let each man take heed how he buildeth thereon:
11. For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Messiah Yeshua.


You appear to think that Paul has his own foundation separate from the Gospel accounts but he tells his readers that Messiah Yeshua is the foundation upon which his own doctrinal foundations are laid. The only way that this can truly be possible is if Paul laid a foundation based upon the Testimony of Yeshua. And if Paul lays his foundation by way of the foundation of the Testimony of Yeshua then you cannot be correct in your rationalizations and extrapolations from what you read. You have essentially carved out for yourself a separate dispensation which does not actually exist anywhere else except within your own mind. Even if the "gospel of Paul" did come about solely by the new revelations which he received; how can you possibly think that Paul would believe his own gospel superseded or displaced the Gospel that Messiah preaches and heralds in the Gospel accounts? There is no way Paul would have believed any such thing.

The Kingdom Gospel is not the same Gospel that Paul preached.

The Kingdom Gospel is the good news that the King has arrived.

The Gospel that Paul preached justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Two entirely different Gospels.
 

beloved57

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The Kingdom Gospel is not the same Gospel that Paul preached.

The Kingdom Gospel is the good news that the King has arrived.

The Gospel that Paul preached justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Two entirely different Gospels.

You dont believe those scriptures nor understand them !
 

Robert Pate

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You dont believe those scriptures nor understand them !

I understand not only those scriptures, but the whole Bible.

You have a terrible time with the Bible.

You think that some scriptures cancel out other scriptures.

You just can't seem to bring it together can you?
 

beloved57

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I understand not only those scriptures, but the whole Bible.

You have a terrible time with the Bible.

You think that some scriptures cancel out other scriptures.

You just can't seem to bring it together can you?

Not only you didn't understand the scriptures, you oppose them!
 

jamie

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The Kingdom Gospel is not the same Gospel that Paul preached.

You claim you understand the Bible, so are you deliberately misrepresenting Paul's gospel?

And when they (Paul and Barnabas) had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)

So when they (the Jews) had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening. (Acts 28:23 NKJV)​

Jesus also preached the gospel of the kingdom of God. (Mark 1:14-15)

You espouse a gospel about Christ, but not the gospel of Christ. Why?
 

daqq

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You claim you understand the Bible, so are you deliberately misrepresenting Paul's gospel?
And when they (Paul and Barnabas) had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)

So when they (the Jews) had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening. (Acts 28:23 NKJV)​
Jesus also preached the gospel of the kingdom of God. (Mark 1:14-15)

You espouse a gospel about Christ, but not the gospel of Christ. Why?

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