ONLY BEGOTTEN - not firstborn son. (Exodus 4:22-23)
Jesus is the firstborn of all creation - the first born of all creation with regard to what? (Colossians 1:18)
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ONLY BEGOTTEN - not firstborn son. (Exodus 4:22-23)
Jesus is the firstborn of all creation - the first born of all creation with regard to what? (Colossians 1:18)
Epoisses
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Why don't you read the book of Hebrews since you obviously don't believe what I say.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second....In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Heb. 8:7,13
bye, bye first, faulty and old covenant....Tell Moses not to let the door hit him on the way out.
And the "new" covenant is older than the Mt. Sinai covenant. The Mt. Sinai covenant did not annul the covenant made with Abraham. (Galatians 3:17)
Epoisses
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The covenant with Abraham the 'non-Jew' was the promise of God that he would be blessed. Abraham was required to believe that he would be blessed not keep the law that had never even been given yet.
Epoisses
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Amen.
Are you speaking of the law that the Father ended in 70 CE?
Epoisses
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The law ended when Jesus fulfilled it on the cross. The deluded Jews who kept on keeping it after the cross were deluded. The veil was rent in two between the holy and most holy so it's not that hard to figure out that is was ended.
JonahofAkron
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No one has said that justification comes by Law keeping; that's the problem with your premise: you can't separate living out the life of Messiah and justification. Of course we are justified because of what He completed, but that doesn't mean we don't follow in His ways. He is our Rabbi and we are His disciples. We act like it because we love Him. Being obedient is acting in Faith.
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JonahofAkron
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Peter was deluded? Paul was deluded? The disciples were deluded? They all continued their lifestyle and met in the temple daily.
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Epoisses
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Following the Messiah means we live by the faith of Jesus and the love of God. NT commandments are not something that I do.
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Epoisses
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Until it was destroyed in 70AD showing the worthlessness of Hagar the great.
JonahofAkron
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The faith of Jesus compelled Him to follow the commands. What do you think I've been saying? I agree with this statement! I just disagree with what you think that leads us to.
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Epoisses
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You don't keep the new commands of faith and love. You fall from grace and try to keep the law.
JonahofAkron
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Show me where that is in the writings, big guy. Make sure to explain what I'm actually doing. So far, you're throwing out all kinds of things to see what sticks.
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Epoisses
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You condemn yourself with your incessant law keeping abomination!! Self-condemned.
JonahofAkron
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JonahofAkron
If you believe that all of the apostles were deluded, then you must believe that the Bible is a sham.
Actually the law ended with John according to scripture.
We know.