You don't believe that Jesus is who He said He is. You are a modern day Pharisee.
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You don't believe that Jesus is who He said He is. You are a modern day Pharisee.
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lol Your an idiot. I do believe God is who Jesus says He is. And I quote it straight from the Word of God.
Your the one that doesn't believe God is who Jesus says He is. The Father the only true God.
[Jhn 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
John 8:58 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
58 Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Squeaky, Jesus said that. What did He mean?
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[Col 1:15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
That does not answer the question.
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lol Yes it does. Whether you like it or not. Jesus was the first born over all creation.
That is a positional statement, not a biological statement. Now answer the question. If you can't that is OK.
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THE I AM DELUSION
Matt 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
14 So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
John 7:39-43
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
John 7:51-52
51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?
52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
John 8:1-2
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
John 8:12
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:16-18
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:21
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:23-24
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:28-29
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
(KJV)
xxx Jesus was teaching in the temple and they were questioning Him on whether or not He was the Christ. Then they all went home and came back the next day to question Him some more. When Jesus told them: you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I am He. Then in verse 58 Jesus was telling them that even before Abraham that I am . But they picked up stones to throw at Him so they cut Jesus off in the middle of His sentance and Jesus got out of there. Jesus was claiming that" I AM He" the Christ. Jesus was not claiming He was God.
verse 24 and 28 Jesus said it, I am he. Jesus was saying He was the Christ that they were speaking of in John 7-41. But in is obvious why they didnt understand from John 7-39 they havent received the Holy Spirit yet. And even today many do not know the Spirit and get deceived in the verses.
You are holding onto traditional corrupt faith, friend. It is not biblical.
what you have is false assumption, nothing else.
Traditional faith is in the wide road which you should not be in.
You need to take heed of Jesus' warnings which you have been disregarding too many.
Still no answer.
And JW theology is a highway to Hell.
I am talking about the truth, not JWs.
Your antagonistic idea about JW is another wicked wide road spirit.
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I have given you the only two spiritual answers to your question. Now we know you worship from your imagination so if your looking for the answer from the imagination I cant help you. I got rid of my imagination along time ago.
IMAGINATION
Gen 6:5 OLD TESTAMENT
5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 8:21
21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
1 Chr 28:9
9 "As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.
Jer 7:24
24 "Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward.
Jer 9:14
14 "but they have walked according to the dictates of their own hearts and after the Baals, which their fathers taught them,"
Jer 16:12
12 'And you have done worse than your fathers, for behold, each one follows the dictates of his own evil heart, so that no one listens to Me.
Isa 65:2
2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, according to their own thoughts;
NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 1:51
51 He has shown strength with His arm; he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Rom 1:21-22
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
you do not know the truth. You believe in salvation by works.
I said
I have given you the only two spiritual answers to your question. Now we know you worship from your imagination so if your looking for the answer from the imagination I cant help you. I got rid of my imagination along time ago.
IMAGINATION
Gen 6:5 OLD TESTAMENT
5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 8:21
21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
1 Chr 28:9
9 "As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.
Jer 7:24
24 "Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward.
Jer 9:14
14 "but they have walked according to the dictates of their own hearts and after the Baals, which their fathers taught them,"
Jer 16:12
12 'And you have done worse than your fathers, for behold, each one follows the dictates of his own evil heart, so that no one listens to Me.
Isa 65:2
2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, according to their own thoughts;
NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 1:51
51 He has shown strength with His arm; he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Rom 1:21-22
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Squeaky, Again, why did Jesus call Himself I Am?
People who are in the wide road don't know the truth.
Jesus said that you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. He also said that He is the truth. If you know Jesus, you know the truth.
Jesus says narrow is the road that lead you to life and only a few find it.
You are in the wide road, friend.
I believe in salvation by grace through faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— 9 not the result of works, so that no one may boast.
How about you, what do you believe?