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The apostles were unified on the new covenant: it was put into effect in Christ, it is the blessing of forgiveness of sins now, and it makes a substantial impact on a person's willingness to live rightly, which the law was powerless to do.
You would normally get this from the last supper accounts, I Cor 11, 2 Cor 3-5, Heb 8, 10, 12. But 2P2P is so confused that Heb 10 needs further explanation.
Jer 31 did set up the new covenant in a vision of a prosperous Israel. But this is not the last prophetic word on that. In Haggai 2, there is the disappointment that the place as reconstructed after the captivity was dismal. There is a similar theme in Malachi 2, that the messenger of the covenant would suddenly show up at the temple and 'fix' the problems of the post-exile temple.
Haggai 2 says that when this is resolved the glory of the 'temple' would be greater than the previous. This is why we are told by Christ that something greater than David and Solomon is here in Him, and why the temple analogy is used about the Christians as a group in Eph 2.
We have to stick with the question of 'after that time' in Jer 31. It's after that exile when everything is ruined. This is where Christ comes in.
This is why Rom 11 on the covenant (from an Isaiah quote) and Heb 8-10 on the new covenant say it is fulfilled in Christ and do not say there is another land fulfillment expected, but instead celebrate the cloud of witnesses and the Jerusalem above, and the day when the NHNE arrives.
And of course the improvement over sin through the Spirit is ours to enjoy now. Forgiven sin really reduces the appeal of sin.
(AAL = the apostles accounts and letters, since another silly idea of the 2P2P's is that there is a huge difference between the new covenant and the NT).
You would normally get this from the last supper accounts, I Cor 11, 2 Cor 3-5, Heb 8, 10, 12. But 2P2P is so confused that Heb 10 needs further explanation.
Jer 31 did set up the new covenant in a vision of a prosperous Israel. But this is not the last prophetic word on that. In Haggai 2, there is the disappointment that the place as reconstructed after the captivity was dismal. There is a similar theme in Malachi 2, that the messenger of the covenant would suddenly show up at the temple and 'fix' the problems of the post-exile temple.
Haggai 2 says that when this is resolved the glory of the 'temple' would be greater than the previous. This is why we are told by Christ that something greater than David and Solomon is here in Him, and why the temple analogy is used about the Christians as a group in Eph 2.
We have to stick with the question of 'after that time' in Jer 31. It's after that exile when everything is ruined. This is where Christ comes in.
This is why Rom 11 on the covenant (from an Isaiah quote) and Heb 8-10 on the new covenant say it is fulfilled in Christ and do not say there is another land fulfillment expected, but instead celebrate the cloud of witnesses and the Jerusalem above, and the day when the NHNE arrives.
And of course the improvement over sin through the Spirit is ours to enjoy now. Forgiven sin really reduces the appeal of sin.
(AAL = the apostles accounts and letters, since another silly idea of the 2P2P's is that there is a huge difference between the new covenant and the NT).
