The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
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beloved57
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Bless You Sister !
How could God love all if some are destined to Hell?
Nanja
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Gods Love for a people is a trademark of His Election of them to be a separate special people for Himself, above all other people He didnt choose for Himself. This is seen by what God says of Israel of old Deut 7:6-8
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Gods Love is the particular characteristic for them He has Chosen, Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
So the World God Loves in Jn 3:16 are the people whom He set His Love upon that He has chosen for Himself [denoting a special people above all others] in Christ before the foundation of the world.
Gods Love for a people also manifests His Sovereignty over the objects of His Love, like stated in Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Again Mal 1:1-3
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Gods Love for a people distinguishes them from people He hates, whom He does not Love, so His Love is Sovereign and discriminate.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Gods Love is the particular characteristic for them He has Chosen, Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
So the World God Loves in Jn 3:16 are the people whom He set His Love upon that He has chosen for Himself [denoting a special people above all others] in Christ before the foundation of the world.
Gods Love for a people also manifests His Sovereignty over the objects of His Love, like stated in Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Again Mal 1:1-3
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Gods Love for a people distinguishes them from people He hates, whom He does not Love, so His Love is Sovereign and discriminate.
Nanja
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Exactly Brother !
It was the men of the World of God's Chosen Ones Deut. 7:6-8; Eph. 1:4., those the Lord Redeemed; God's Elect In Christ from the foundation who were made holy and without blame; and the only World He Loved John 3:16; His Children exclusively given Him of the Father, whether jew or gentile.
In contrast though, there are others which constitute a world whom God does not love, but hates, typical of Esau, whose father is the devil.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Reprobates Titus 1:16
The seed of the serpent John 8:44; Matt. 23:33
Seed of the Wicked Ps. 37:28: Matt. 13:38
Ungodly men 2 Pet. 3:7
Vessels of God's Wrath Rom. 9:22
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beloved57
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Gods love for a people results in that people living [spiritually] through Christ, that was Gods Purpose 1 Jn 4:9
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Gods Love will produce Spiritual Life for the Loved ones, so if one never comes into spiritual life, God could not haved them and sent His Son into the world for them.
All whom remain in spiritual death, enter into eternal death, were never loved by God !
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Gods Love will produce Spiritual Life for the Loved ones, so if one never comes into spiritual life, God could not haved them and sent His Son into the world for them.
All whom remain in spiritual death, enter into eternal death, were never loved by God !
beloved57
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Gods Love for a person/people is the grounds for Him drawing them to Himself Jer 31:3
3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
Gods Love is accompanied with His doing, and His Love is always with return, they whom He loves will love Him 1 Jn 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us. The word because is causative, Gods Love produces the result of the Loved loving the Lover.
3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
Gods Love is accompanied with His doing, and His Love is always with return, they whom He loves will love Him 1 Jn 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us. The word because is causative, Gods Love produces the result of the Loved loving the Lover.
Nanja
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Amen Brother, God's Everlasting or Eternal Love is not for all men in the world without exception, but for the Body of Christ, or His Church;
those the Father had Chosen and Loved, He Elected in His Son before the foundation Eph. 1:4, to be holy and without blame before Him in Love: And they whom He Loves will Love Him: He Draws to Himself Jer. 31:3.
John 17:23-24
23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me:
for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Hence the Ones God Loves, He Draws and Saves them by His Grace Eph. 2:5 !
This is ONLY speaking about the twelve disciples, whom Jesus chose. And remember, one of those "chosen elect" betrayed Jesus, and is currently in Hell.
Because you say so?
Does God love the whole world or not?
Because John 3:16 was true BEFORE Augustine and John Calvin came around.
Was Israel, the nation. Not individuals.
You're misreading the verse, either intentionally or not.
The verse says:
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, - Ephesians 1:4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians1:4&version=NKJV
Notice the "in Him" part.
Who did God choose?
Those that are "in Him."
NOT
Those that are NOT "in Him."
How does one get "in Him"?
By believing.
How does one believe?
By hearing.
How does one hear?
By a preacher preaching, after having been sent.
The verse is NOT saying that God randomly picked people for salvation before the foundation of the world. He decided that the group that is "in Him" will be chosen, and that the group that is NOT "in Him" will not be chosen.
Your confirmation bias is showing.
Again, those who are "in Him," through faith in Him, will love God, because He saved them.
Jeremiah 31:3 is about Israel. Not the Body of Christ.
Did you not notice that it was Jesus speaking there?
Of course the Father loved the Son before the foundation of the world.
But that has nothing to do with whether an individual OTHER THAN JESUS was chosen before the foundation of the world, which cannot be found anywhere in scripture, and certainly not describing one's salvation.
Speaking only of Israel.
All those who are "in Him" are saved by His grace.
How does one get "in Him"?
Supra.
Nanja
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Exactly Brother !
What does the Bible say?
"For God so loved... _______"?
Fill in the blank.
Your "Yes-man" actions aside, maybe you can answer the above question.
beloved57
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World.
Correct. It says "the world."
There is only one "the world."
What does it not say?
It does NOT say:
Would you please acknowledge that you gave the wrong answer when I asked the question, "Does God love the whole world or not?" by answering "The whole World of His Elect!"?
Amazingly, Calvinist seem not to understand that “ whosoever believes” will be saved.
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That's because they have a "story" that they try to force on the Bible. Therefore, they must redefine just about every word in the dictionary to make their "story" come true.
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