The Lawyers that convicted Hovind were Pedophiles

Daniel1611

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He doesn't understand the charges because the government is telling him he cannot withdraw less than 10,000 of his own money. What a law. Its almost like a joke. Government telling you that you have to withdraw more money. Not only that, he's been in jail for a decade for it. And all the statists defend the government
 

Nazaroo

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Wrong again. :doh:

Payroll taxes must by law be withheld from the employee and paid to the authorities, so it is not the employee's responsibility.

Not in Canada.

We have the maturity to have an honour system.

It works like this. You're obligated to do your own income tax.

If you're over 21, its your problem.

Yes large employers are supposed to "pre-deduct" estimated taxes,
and this automatically protects the majority of tax revenues.

We don't send people to prison for not paying taxes. We tax them.

Our system works fantastic, and actually collects more taxes from
the rich who avoid paying far better than the USA Gestapo method.

Finally, our legal system isn't clogged up with bogus cases of non-violent crimes' like messing up your income tax.

Also, our income tax form is simple. Its only a few pages for 99% of Canadians.

Your USA tax laws are DESIGNED to make lawyer-experts vast amounts of
money that you earned.

USA tax laws suck.

USA tax enforcement sucks, and violates your constitution.

USA draconian "agencies" like the IRS collect money for foreign banks.

You are getting screwed five ways from sunday.

Meanwhile your REAL criminals, like Clinton and Bush walk free as billionaires.

So yeah, your system sucks bigtime.

You've incarcerated millions of non-violent people who belong in the work force.

Good luck with shooting yourselves in the testicles for the Uber-Rich banker-German Vatican faggots.
 

gcthomas

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I'm not American.

And from your federal Canada Pension Act : "All employers are required to deduct a portion of each employee's earnings.Employers remit the deducted amounts to the Canada Revenue Agency on behalf of the employee."

So you are wrong again. As usual. ;)
 

gcthomas

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What and be honest and straight forward? Forget who you were responding to?

No, but Nazaroids likes to bump threads that everyone else thinks is to boring to read, so I might as well remind him that he doesn't understand his own national tax laws enough to win an argument with a foreigner.

Naz, I know you can't resist reading about your own ideas, so what is your response to being so thoroughly wrong?
 

Daniel1611

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No, but Nazaroids likes to bump threads that everyone else thinks is to boring to read, so I might as well remind him that he doesn't understand his own national tax laws enough to win an argument with a foreigner.

Naz, I know you can't resist reading about your own ideas, so what is your response to being so thoroughly wrong?

Persecution in America is boring? Let's read another thread about mean atheists in another country.

No. They are after people here that have a following and preaching the truth. They got Kent Hovind and there will be more. Steve Anderson is on their list for sure. There are more.
 

aCultureWarrior

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So you are wrong again. As usual. ;)

Please don't think that all Christians are like Nazaroo and his buddy Daniel. Most of us hold other Christians up to the same standards every American citizen are supposed to follow and don't defend criminals like Hovind when he's caught doing unlawful acts.

Don't get me wrong, I can make a long list of Christians who have been and are currently being persecuted by government solely for standing up for Christian doctrine. Kent Hovind however isn't one of them.
 

Jonahdog

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Persecution in America is boring? Let's read another thread about mean atheists in another country.

No. They are after people here that have a following and preaching the truth. They got Kent Hovind and there will be more. Steve Anderson is on their list for sure. There are more.

Kent Hovind broke the law and lied about it. But that seems to be OK because he was a fundamentalist Christian minister. Wonder if his supporters would feel the same if a Muslim acted like Kent?
 

Nazaroo

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I'm not American.

And from your federal Canada Pension Act : "All employers are required to deduct a portion of each employee's earnings.Employers remit the deducted amounts to the Canada Revenue Agency on behalf of the employee."

So you are wrong again. As usual. ;)


Where's the mistake?

I already said employers are required to pre-deduct estimated taxes.

But they are never put in jail in Canada for failing to do so,
and small-scale employers are infamous for not doing it,
or failing to keep accurate books.

That doesn't matter, just like I said, because the major employers,
namely the government (60% of employment) and other large corporations
(i.e., GM, General Foods, etc.) all send money to the government coffers,
so most income taxes in Canada get paid,
even though there is NO CRIMINAL liability
or likelyhood of prison for screwing up your income tax,
beyond a fine,
again, JUST AS I SAID.

In Canada, we abolished Debter's Prison over 100 years ago,
and Income Tax was only a temporary war measure,
which never went away, but has never been criminalized.

In Canada, Large Employers like GM who fail to meet legal standards
are FINED, and no CEO or shareholder of any corporation in Canada
has ever been jailed
for failing to pay income taxes, either for themselves,
or for their employees.

If the UK still jails people for income tax defaults, then effectively
you are still living under a form of Debter's Prison and need to
modernize your legal codes.

As for the USA, we already posted evidence that the IRS is engaging in
illegal and criminal activity, which violates the Constitution,

in seizing properties and money when no crime has been proven,
or even shown to have been probable.

As for Kent Hovind, in spite of aCW's claims (and I am incredulous
that you are siding with him on ANYTHING),
he was never convicted of "tax evasion" or "tax fraud".

He was found guilty of "structuring" which is a unique invented charge
that has no existence in any other country where people pay income tax.

He was found guilty of "contempt of court" for sending a notice by mail
of the fact that he would be pursuing the return of his property.

The people who confiscated his property wanted to keep him in prison
so that he could not get it back.

These two charges do not and cannot constitute "tax evasion" or "tax fraud".

One is a made-up charge that will never withstand a Supreme Court hearing,
and the other is a misapplication of a legitimate offence.

They originally tried to charge Kent Hovind of "Mail Fraud", because
he was forced to mail the notice from his prison cell.

But the judge realized that that would never hold up on appeal,
since filing a legal document which is accurate is not fraud,

and doing so by mail is not "mail fraud".

Kent Hovind was exercising his constitutional right to appeal the confiscation
of his property, and this is in no way "contempt of court".
 

Daniel1611

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Kent Hovind broke the law and lied about it. But that seems to be OK because he was a fundamentalist Christian minister. Wonder if his supporters would feel the same if a Muslim acted like Kent?

So you're cool with him going to jail for 10 years if he were guilty of this?
 

alwight

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So you're cool with him going to jail for 10 years if he were guilty of this?
I'm no admirer of Hovind by any stretch, who is a crook imo and not entitled to keep tax dues that other people have to pay.
However, 10 years does seem a little hard to understand, but I presume it has to be based on the amount of money involved if they can lock up Joe Bloe for a few thousand.

I'd rather like to see a few greedy bankers brought to book who at least should have been in touch with a more earthly reality, while Hovind otoh, bless him, has spent his whole life claiming that reality is derived from an ancient scripture. Then again I suspect him of perhaps knowingly milking creationist's money, so who knows the truth? :idunno:
 

aCultureWarrior

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As for Kent Hovind, in spite of aCW's claims (and I am incredulous
that you are siding with him on ANYTHING),
he was never convicted of "tax evasion" or "tax fraud".

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4348604&postcount=56

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4348743&postcount=59

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4348749&postcount=62

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4348758&postcount=64

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4373476&postcount=108

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4373729&postcount=112

(Poor Naz, he's all worked up talking about alleged pedophile prosecutors that he can't keep the facts straight).

Bragging about not paying taxes and being convicted of tax evasion are two different things Naz.
 
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