The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Right Divider]

The ethnic Israelites compiled the scriptures which are about themselves as a nation.

If you're talking about the Bible, that is God breathed.

Their secular history books vanished although those books are still mentioned in their revised scripture books.

Whatever that means.

It’s like the Democrats in America controlling the media message.

Poor example. But what does that have to do with the God breathed scriptures called the Bible?

The Messianic expectations of Israel failed, so Jewish followers of Jesus devised new expectations that Jesus would “soon return” to restore the Kingdom of Israel and carry out what they were expecting the first time.

Jesus said that He would soon return.

Mat 10:23 KJV But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Your Bible illiteracy is monumental.

Since the Jews rejected their calling, rejected the Gospel of God on earth in Jesus, protection and oversight was pulled away and Jerusalem was destroyed.

Indeed, and yet God says that He will restore Israel.

 

[Caino]

Your point? The 10 commandments didn't disappear when the tablets broke...

It all reappears again after the tablets supposedly written by God were deliberately smashed by Moses??? according to the story.

There are 2 sets of commandments that differ, but the point is that which the story claims God wrote in stone was destroyed.

 

[Caino]

If you're talking about the Bible, that is God breathed.

Written by the fallible men who could even kill the Son of God. Exaggerating their history in the scripture was even easier for them.

Whatever that means.

It means that the true secular history books didn't make the cut.

Poor example. But what does that have to do with the God breathed scriptures called the Bible?

The Israelites wrote their own scripture about how God favored Israel. But after being born again Peter realized the "chosen people" delusion was wrong. "Then Peter began to speak: Acts 10:34-35 “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right."

Jesus said that He would soon return.

Your Bible illiteracy is monumental.

Mat 10:23 KJV But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

The context of "Till the Son of man be come" was about the "spirit of truth" that came on Pentecost, not the future literal return that the early believers assumed would happen.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

[JudgeRightly]

It all reappears again after the tablets supposedly written by God were deliberately smashed by Moses???

They never disappeared to begin with. The tablets may have broken, but the commandments did not go away.

according to the story.

There are 2 sets of commandments that differ,

Where's your proof?

but the point is that which the story claims God wrote in stone was destroyed.

So what? The commandments themselves were not broken by Moses. Or what, do you think that just because a couple of stone tablets were broken, therefore the laws written on them ceased to exist?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Written by the fallible men who could even kill the Son of God.

Yes, God can use even His broken creation to accomplish a task.

Exaggerating their history in the scripture was even easier for them.

No exaggeration at all.

It means that the true secular history books didn't make the cut.

Such books never existed to begin with.

The Israelites wrote their own scripture

Well, no. They didn't. God's prophets did.

about how God favored Israel.

Are you asserting that He didn't favor Israel?

But after being born again Peter realized the "chosen people" delusion was wrong.

More fairy tale.

"Then Peter began to speak: Acts 10:34-35 “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right."

This is AFTER Paul's conversion, after the revelation of the mystery, which had been hidden to everyone.

And yet, God will return to Israel, and welcome her back, once the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

The context of "Till the Son of man be come" was about the "spirit of truth" that came on Pentecost, not the future literal return that the early believers assumed would happen.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Nope. The "Son of Man" is Jesus Christ. That was His favorite title for Himself when He was on earth.

Don't twist scripture just because you aren't capable of understanding it.

 

[Right Divider]

Written by the fallible men who could even kill the Son of God.

Apparently you cannot understand what GOD BREATHTED means.

Exaggerating their history in the scripture was even easier for them.

The Bible tells the whole story, even the bad stuff about them.

The Israelites wrote their own scripture about how God favored Israel. But after being born again Peter realized the "chosen people" delusion was wrong. "Then Peter began to speak: Acts 10:34-35 “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right."

Again, you confuse things. God most certainly showed the NATION of Israel some "favoritism" when He separated THEM from ALL of the OTHER people on earth.

The context of "Till the Son of man be come" was about the "spirit of truth" that came on Pentecost, not the future literal return that the early believers assumed would happen.

Trying to REDEFINE terms is a LIE!
The SON OF MAN is NOT "the spirit of truth".
The SON OF MAN refers to Jesus' role as ruler of the earth.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Again, you do not understand what He was talking about.

 

[Caino]

They never disappeared to begin with. The tablets may have broken, but the commandments did not go away.



Where's your proof?



So what? The commandments themselves were not broken by Moses. Or what, do you think that just because a couple of stone tablets were broken, therefore the laws written on them ceased to exist?

Your claim that God can protect his own written word except a few translation errors was debunked by the story that Moses smashed Gods own written in stone Word after coming down from Sini. Not that I believe God ever wrote in stone to begin with. Moses's followers were frightened of the volcano so he used that in his reforms of the old ways that were used in Egypt and his new ways after Exodus.

 

[Caino]

Apparently you cannot understand what GOD BREATHTED means.

The Bible tells the whole story, even the bad stuff about them.

Again, you confuse things. God most certainly showed the NATION of Israel some "favoritism" when He separated THEM from ALL of the OTHER people on earth.

Trying to REDEFINE terms is a LIE!
The SON OF MAN is NOT "the spirit of truth".
The SON OF MAN refers to Jesus' role as ruler of the earth.

Again, you do not understand what He was talking about.

I know what Jesus was talking about, the spirit of truth that he promised. It came on Pentecost. If you deny that the Son of man came into his kingdom at Pentecost then we have one more failed prophecy. ....."There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

 

[Caino]

Such books never existed to begin with.

The following are mentioned in the Hebrew Bible:

• The Book of Jasher is mentioned in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18 and also referenced in 2 Timothy 3:8.[1] From the context in the Book of Samuel, it is implied that it was a collection of poetry. Several books have claimed to be this lost text, some of which are discounted as pseudepigrapha. Certain members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints secured the copyright to a particular English translation of one of these and republished it in 1887 in Salt Lake City.[2]
• The Book of the Wars of the Lord[3] is mentioned in Numbers 21:14. It is speculatively associated with one of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness.[citation needed] The Book of the Wars of the Lord is also cited in the Book of Jasher (trans. Moses Samuel c. 1840, ed. J. H. Parry 1887) Chapter 90:48 as being a collaborative record written by Moses, Joshua and the children of Israel.
• The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel and Chronicles of the Kings of Judah are mentioned in the Books of Kings (1 Kings 14:19,29). They are said to tell of events during the reigns of Kings Jeroboam of Israel and Rehoboam of Judah, respectively. The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel is again mentioned in 1 Kings 16:20 regarding King Zimri, and many other times throughout 1 and 2 Kings.
• The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet and Visions of Iddo the Seer (also called Story of the Prophet Iddo or The Annals of the Prophet Iddo) is mentioned in the 2nd Book of Chronicles. (2 Chronicles 9:29, 2 Chronicles 12:15, 2 Chronicles 13:22). This book has been completely lost to history, save for its title.
• The Manner of the Kingdom.[4]
  Referenced at 1 Samuel 10:25.
• The Acts of Solomon.[5]
  Referenced at 1 Kings 11:41.
• The Annals of King David.[6]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 27:24.
• The Book of Samuel the Seer. Also called Samuel the Seer or The Acts of Samuel the Seer, which could be the same as 1 & 2 Samuel.[7]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29.
• The Book of Nathan the Prophet. Also called Nathan the Prophet or The Acts of Nathan the Prophet or History of Nathan the Prophet.[7]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29, and also 2 Chronicles 9:29.
• The Book of Gad the Seer.[8]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29.
• The Prophecy of Ahijah,[9] might be a reference to 1 Kings 14:2–18.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 9:29.
• The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel.[10]
  Referenced in 2 Chronicles 16:11, 2 Chronicles 27:7 and 2 Chronicles 32:32. Might be the same as 1 & 2 Kings.
• The Book of Jehu,[11] could be a reference to 1 Kings 16:1–7.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 20:34.
• The Story of the Book of Kings.[12]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 24:27.
• The Acts of Uzziah. Also called The Book by the prophet Isaiah. Perhaps the same as the Book of Isaiah.[7]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 26:22.
• The Vision of Isaiah.[13]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 32:32.
• The Acts of the Kings of Israel. Also called The Acts and Prayers of Manasseh.[14] May be identical to The Book of the Kings of Israel, above.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 33:18.
• The Sayings of the Seers.[15]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 33:19.
• The Laments for Josiah. Also called Lamentations. This event is recorded in the existing Book of Lamentations.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 35:25.
• The Chronicles of King Ahasuerus.[16]
  Referenced at Esther 2:23, Esther 6:1, Esther 10:2, and Nehemiah 12:23.

 

[Right Divider]

I know what Jesus was talking about, the spirit of truth that he promised.

Jesus said that HE (i.e., the Son of Man) would return. He was NOT talking about the "spirit of truth".

It came on Pentecost.

That was NOT the SON OF MAN per Matthew 10:23.

If you deny that the Son of man came into his kingdom at Pentecost then we have one more failed prophecy. ....."There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

If do not deny that scripture. I deny your idea of what it means.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Your claim that God can protect his own written word except a few translation errors was debunked by the story that Moses smashed Gods own written in stone Word after coming down from Sini.

1) My claim was not "God can protect His own written word". It was "God can write a book in such a way that it can survive a few errors being introduced into it and still retain its original message."
2) Moses smashing of the tablets in no way invalidates my above claim, as no errors were introduced, and nothing changed other than which tablets the 10 commandments were written on.

Not that I believe God ever wrote in stone to begin with.

Of course you don't, because you reject Truth.

Moses's followers were frightened of the volcano

Mount Sinai isn't a volcano.

More proof that your belief is in a fairy tale.

so he used that in his reforms of the old ways that were used in Egypt and his new ways after Exodus.

More fairy tale.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I know what Jesus was talking about,

No, you don't.

the spirit of truth that he promised. It came on Pentecost.

The Son of Man is not the spirit of truth.

If you deny that the Son of man came into his kingdom at Pentecost

Christ never returned when He said He would.

Pentecost wasn't the due date for His return.

then we have one more failed prophecy. .....

Why do you think that failed prophecies are a problem for us?

"There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

Yes, and?

 

[JudgeRightly]

The following are mentioned in the Hebrew Bible:

• The Book of Jasher is mentioned in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18 and also referenced in 2 Timothy 3:8.[1] From the context in the Book of Samuel, it is implied that it was a collection of poetry. Several books have claimed to be this lost text, some of which are discounted as pseudepigrapha. Certain members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints secured the copyright to a particular English translation of one of these and republished it in 1887 in Salt Lake City.[2]
• The Book of the Wars of the Lord[3] is mentioned in Numbers 21:14. It is speculatively associated with one of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness.[citation needed] The Book of the Wars of the Lord is also cited in the Book of Jasher (trans. Moses Samuel c. 1840, ed. J. H. Parry 1887) Chapter 90:48 as being a collaborative record written by Moses, Joshua and the children of Israel.
• The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel and Chronicles of the Kings of Judah are mentioned in the Books of Kings (1 Kings 14:19,29). They are said to tell of events during the reigns of Kings Jeroboam of Israel and Rehoboam of Judah, respectively. The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel is again mentioned in 1 Kings 16:20 regarding King Zimri, and many other times throughout 1 and 2 Kings.
• The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet and Visions of Iddo the Seer (also called Story of the Prophet Iddo or The Annals of the Prophet Iddo) is mentioned in the 2nd Book of Chronicles. (2 Chronicles 9:29, 2 Chronicles 12:15, 2 Chronicles 13:22). This book has been completely lost to history, save for its title.
• The Manner of the Kingdom.[4]
  Referenced at 1 Samuel 10:25.
• The Acts of Solomon.[5]
  Referenced at 1 Kings 11:41.
• The Annals of King David.[6]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 27:24.
• The Book of Samuel the Seer. Also called Samuel the Seer or The Acts of Samuel the Seer, which could be the same as 1 & 2 Samuel.[7]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29.
• The Book of Nathan the Prophet. Also called Nathan the Prophet or The Acts of Nathan the Prophet or History of Nathan the Prophet.[7]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29, and also 2 Chronicles 9:29.
• The Book of Gad the Seer.[8]
  Referenced at 1 Chronicles 29:29.
• The Prophecy of Ahijah,[9] might be a reference to 1 Kings 14:2–18.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 9:29.
• The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel.[10]
  Referenced in 2 Chronicles 16:11, 2 Chronicles 27:7 and 2 Chronicles 32:32. Might be the same as 1 & 2 Kings.
• The Book of Jehu,[11] could be a reference to 1 Kings 16:1–7.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 20:34.
• The Story of the Book of Kings.[12]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 24:27.
• The Acts of Uzziah. Also called The Book by the prophet Isaiah. Perhaps the same as the Book of Isaiah.[7]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 26:22.
• The Vision of Isaiah.[13]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 32:32.
• The Acts of the Kings of Israel. Also called The Acts and Prayers of Manasseh.[14] May be identical to The Book of the Kings of Israel, above.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 33:18.
• The Sayings of the Seers.[15]
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 33:19.
• The Laments for Josiah. Also called Lamentations. This event is recorded in the existing Book of Lamentations.
  Referenced at 2 Chronicles 35:25.
• The Chronicles of King Ahasuerus.[16]
  Referenced at Esther 2:23, Esther 6:1, Esther 10:2, and Nehemiah 12:23.

Yes, and?

 

[Caino]

Yes, and?

You where just proven wrong again and you pretend that it didn't happen.

 

[Caino]

The Son of Man is not the spirit of truth.

Christ never returned when He said He would.

Pentecost wasn't the due date for His return.

Why do you think that failed prophecies are a problem for us?

Jesus sent the Advocate as promised and before his apostles died. The Kingdom is spiritual and Jesus is here now as a spiritual presence.

 

[Caino]

Jesus said that HE (i.e., the Son of Man) would return. He was NOT talking about the "spirit of truth".

That was NOT the SON OF MAN per Matthew 10:23.

If do not deny that scripture. I deny your idea of what it means.

What it means already came true. You continue to stumble over the old ideas of a Jewish Messiah coming to rescue Israel from the consequences of its own failed prophecies about its nationalism.

 

[Right Divider]

What it means already came true.

Redefining terms is a form of lying.

You continue to stumble over the old ideas of a Jewish Messiah coming to rescue Israel from the consequences of its own failed prophecies about its nationalism.

I just believe God's Word. You believe in fairy tales.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus sent the Advocate as promised and before his apostles died.

The "Advocate" is NOT the Son of Man.

The Kingdom is spiritual and Jesus is here now as a spiritual presence.

There has always been a spiritual kingdom. The events on that lawfully required Jewish feast day were completely in line with the kingdom prophecies related to the nation of Israel.

You believe in fairy tales.

 

[Caino]

Redefining terms is a form of lying.

I just believe God's Word. You believe in fairy tales.

I didn't redefine any terms. Jesus said he would send the Advocate, he did.

You believe a particular doctrine among thousands.

 

[Caino]

The "Advocate" is NOT the Son of Man.

There has always been a spiritual kingdom. The events on that lawfully required Jewish feast day were completely in line with the kingdom prophecies related to the nation of Israel.

You believe in fairy tales.

The Advocate is "spirit". Jesus is with us in spirit. The nation of Israel was destroyed for 1900+ years. Its a museum to a broken covenant and no longer relevant to disciples of Jesus.