The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Jesus sent us his entire life story in this latest revelation. We now know many additional facts about the childhood of Jesus that were never disclosed to his early followers.

1. Jesus’ Ninth Year (A.D. 3)

(1366.2) 124:1.1 "Though it could hardly be said that Jesus was ever seriously ill, he did have some of the minor ailments of childhood this year, along with his brothers and baby sister.

(1366.3) 124:1.2 School went on and he was still a favored pupil, having one week each month at liberty, and he continued to divide his time about equally between trips to neighboring cities with his father, sojourns on his uncle’s farm south of Nazareth, and fishing excursions out from Magdala.

(1366.4) 124:1.3 The most serious trouble as yet to come up at school occurred in late winter when Jesus dared to challenge the chazan regarding the teaching that all images, pictures, and drawings were idolatrous in nature. Jesus delighted in drawing landscapes as well as in modeling a great variety of objects in potter’s clay. Everything of that sort was strictly forbidden by Jewish law, but up to this time he had managed to disarm his parents’ objection to such an extent that they had permitted him to continue in these activities.

(1366.5) 124:1.4 But trouble was again stirred up at school when one of the more backward pupils discovered Jesus drawing a charcoal picture of the teacher on the floor of the schoolroom. There it was, plain as day, and many of the elders had viewed it before the committee went to call on Joseph to demand that something be done to suppress the lawlessness of his eldest son. And though this was not the first time complaints had come to Joseph and Mary about the doings of their versatile and aggressive child, this was the most serious of all the accusations which had thus far been lodged against him. Jesus listened to the indictment of his artistic efforts for some time, being seated on a large stone just outside the back door. He resented their blaming his father for his alleged misdeeds; so in he marched, fearlessly confronting his accusers. The elders were thrown into confusion. Some were inclined to view the episode humorously, while one or two seemed to think the boy was sacrilegious if not blasphemous. Joseph was nonplused, Mary indignant, but Jesus insisted on being heard. He had his say, courageously defended his viewpoint, and with consummate self-control announced that he would abide by the decision of his father in this as in all other matters controversial. And the committee of elders departed in silence.

(1367.1) 124:1.5 Mary endeavored to influence Joseph to permit Jesus to model in clay at home, provided he promised not to carry on any of these questionable activities at school, but Joseph felt impelled to rule that the rabbinical interpretation of the second commandment should prevail. And so Jesus no more drew or modeled the likeness of anything from that day as long as he lived in his father’s house. But he was unconvinced of the wrong of what he had done, and to give up such a favorite pastime constituted one of the great trials of his young life." UB 1955
 

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No.

In the referenced verse, 'them' referred simply to the people to whom Jesus had just spoken to in public.

You are adding your own spin by saying that "Them" is the Jews and or other enemies of the gospel. The particular revelation does not say this.

I am seeking to simply come to common understanding of the simple and uncontaminated messages in these particular revelations, Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 16 KJV N.T..

Every thing in these particular revelations pertain only to the disciples and the particular set of people who Jesus had just delivers to in public. We have to establish what Jesus said about the two particular sets of people. Only then would it be correct to seek to identify who or what were these people in Jesus public gathering (clearly you would need to use other revelations to come to that further conclusion).

When Jesus said 'them' he was referring to all the people who attended his just concluded public meeting. When he said 'you' he was referring to only to his disciples.

The question conveyed no confusion. The disciples had said why do you speak to them in parables? The disciples did not ask why did you speak to some of them in parables.

The absolute truth is that in Jesus' recently concluded public lecture to those people, He did not in any way deliver the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven because none of those people were given by God to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. Therefore you can look high and low in those deliveries (as recorded in the KJV N.T.) and you will not find any mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. This is the simple and very critical message in these revelations.

Of even greater importance and to clear up all doubts: These revelations also confirmed that only the disciples were given by God to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. The message cannot be clearer. The disciples were different from all the rest. They were specially chosen by God for Jesus.

These revelations Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 16 KJV N.T., also confirm that none of Jesus' deliveries (apart for those given to his disciples in private sessions among only them) are a source of the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven.

Therefore when one uses those public and other deliveries (i.e. apart for those given to his disciples in private sessions among only them) as a source of the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven one must inevitably be a false prophet who came in Jesus' name.

I would still like to know your 'translation' of Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 16 KJV N.T. without your personal and/or other extra additions, qualifications and explanations.


The parable of the virgins was added to the story, Jesus never used human sexuality to teach spiritual truth. That is more like Islam.
 

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Responses to your beliefs and assumptions have been addressed amply as well thru-out the thread, which leaves this dialogue in gridlock. I disagree with your narrow exclusive dogmatic interpretation of Jesus gospel and the Bible in certain particulars...and hold a much greater universal embrace of many different archetypes and possibilities of the personality of Jesus which is not limited to the UB, since Im an eclectic researcher of various and different schools.

Sadly all you and your fellow sock puppets can do is demean, degrade, devalue and demonize the UB or anything not fitting your religious formula or 'concept' of 'God'. Notice it is only you guys calling names, trashing the papers....continually attacking...which really shows your own insecurities and fears, a natural reflex of a religious ego self-aggrandizing and ready to lash out at any threat against its golden calves.

Since from the very first page of this thread.....your song n dance have not changed...neither progress in a constructive dialogue, so its futile really. We'll leave it at gridlock. Good luck in your religious journey.......all the best :wave:



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The primitive Pagan idea of blood sacrifice had been on the earth across many cultures for tens of thousands of years. God is changeless, forgiving and loving, no need to kill bunny rabbits or his innocent Son.


(60.2) 4:5.3 "The people of Urantia continue to suffer from the influence of primitive concepts of God. The gods who go on a rampage in the storm; who shake the earth in their wrath and strike down men in their anger; who inflict their judgments of displeasure in times of famine and flood — these are the gods of primitive religion; they are not the Gods who live and rule the universes. Such concepts are a relic of the times when men supposed that the universe was under the guidance and domination of the whims of such imaginary gods. But mortal man is beginning to realize that he lives in a realm of comparative law and order as far as concerns the administrative policies and conduct of the Supreme Creators and the Supreme Controllers.

(60.3) 4:5.4 The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices and penance and even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile and primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science and truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings and the divine rulers who serve and reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed in order to win his favor or to divert the fictitious divine wrath.

(60.4) 4:5.5 The Hebrews believed that “without the shedding of blood there could be no remission of sin.” They had not found deliverance from the old and pagan idea that the Gods could not be appeased except by the sight of blood, though Moses did make a distinct advance when he forbade human sacrifices and substituted therefor, in the primitive minds of his childlike Bedouin followers, the ceremonial sacrifice of animals." UB 1955
 

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Any doctrine can be judged on its own value, consistency, merit. The ethics and spiritual teaching of Jesus are of the highest order as revealed in the papers. Much accords with the religious truths of most all religions concerning universal principles and values. Your main issue is its view on 'blood-atonement' which we've amply addressed previously here.




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The original gospel of Jesus was replaced by Peter and Paul's new gospel about the cross, about "Christ and him crucified".



Paper 195


After Pentecost

(2069.1) 195:0.1 "THE results of Peter’s preaching on the day of Pentecost were such as to decide the future policies, and to determine the plans, of the majority of the apostles in their efforts to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom. Peter was the real founder of the Christian church; Paul carried the Christian message to the gentiles, and the Greek believers carried it to the whole Roman Empire.

(2069.2) 195:0.2 Although the tradition-bound and priest-ridden Hebrews, as a people, refused to accept either Jesus’ gospel of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man or Peter’s and Paul’s proclamation of the resurrection and ascension of Christ (subsequent Christianity), the rest of the Roman Empire was found to be receptive to the evolving Christian teachings. Western civilization was at this time intellectual, war weary, and thoroughly skeptical of all existing religions and universe philosophies. The peoples of the Western world, the beneficiaries of Greek culture, had a revered tradition of a great past. They could contemplate the inheritance of great accomplishments in philosophy, art, literature, and political progress. But with all these achievements they had no soul-satisfying religion. Their spiritual longings remained unsatisfied.

(2069.3) 195:0.3 Upon such a stage of human society the teachings of Jesus, embraced in the Christian message, were suddenly thrust. A new order of living was thus presented to the hungry hearts of these Western peoples. This situation meant immediate conflict between the older religious practices and the new Christianized version of Jesus’ message to the world. Such a conflict must result in either decided victory for the new or for the old or in some degree of compromise. History shows that the struggle ended in compromise. Christianity presumed to embrace too much for any one people to assimilate in one or two generations. It was not a simple spiritual appeal, such as Jesus had presented to the souls of men; it early struck a decided attitude on religious rituals, education, magic, medicine, art, literature, law, government, morals, sex regulation, polygamy, and, in limited degree, even slavery. Christianity came not merely as a new religion — something all the Roman Empire and all the Orient were waiting for — but as a new order of human society. And as such a pretension it quickly precipitated the social-moral clash of the ages. The ideals of Jesus, as they were reinterpreted by Greek philosophy and socialized in Christianity, now boldly challenged the traditions of the human race embodied in the ethics, morality, and religions of Western civilization." UB 1955

 

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If not Jews or others, who then did Jesus speak the parables to by the seaside???

This is the lecture/revelations under contention:

Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
1. The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

It is clear that Jesus delivered only a parable to everyone in that audience. Nothing else is disclosed in those verses.

Therefore Jesus spoke in parable to everyone in that assembly because none of them were given by God to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. This is the purity of and truth in, the revelations, which follow right after, in Matthews:13 verses: 10 to 17.

You seem to have you own preconceived agenda against the Jews and that is causing you to imagine and also make up your own things and your own righteousness.

The revelations in Matthews:13 verses: 1 to 17 KJV N.T. mentions nothing about Jew or anyone else. The verses are address to two specific and general sets of people as follows:

1.) everyone who Jesus spoke to in that public lecture, as one group and

2.) the disciples alone as the other group.

These are the facts in those revelations. You are simply seeking to corrupt them according to your agenda and self made righteousness.

Seeking truth in the KJV N.T. means that you do not add (your or other people's) meaning to verses.

Additionally I have to ask you about Jesus delivery in Matthews: 13 verses: 1 to 8.: What in those verses, Matthews: 13 verse: 1 to 8, is any part of the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven? Is there any real information about how to get into and actually live in, God's kingdom of heaven? At best that delivery tell only about the kingdom. It confirms that once the kingdom takes root it can grow under the the natural flow of nature. This is no big mystery, everything works that way. That particular parables/lecture does not reveal what must take root. That parable or lecture can fall by the way side and nothing consequential is lost.

 
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This is the lecture under contention:



1.) It is clear that Jesus delivered a parable to everyone in that audience. Nothing else is disclosed in those verses.

Therefore Jesus spoke in parable to everyone in that assembly because none of them were given by God to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. This is the purity of and truth in, the revelations in Matthews:13 verses: 10 to 17.

You seem to have you own preconceived agenda against the Jews and that is causing you to imagine and also make up your own things and your own righteousness.

Jesus was Jewish as well as ALL 12 of his apostles and most of his early converts. You assume things that I do not say.

The "mysteries of the kingdom" are those spiritual truths that ANY sincere truth seeker could extrapolate from the parables among the multitudes that heard Jesus speak. Privately, among the 12, Jesus told more parables and allowed the apostles to consider the meanings.

You are the corrupter based on a point that has failed. Anyone, weather apostle or disciple, could discern the truths of parables.
 

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Id be Happy if celestials on the scene mentioned that all biblical exiles were nation exchanges, by Governing force. worse still, mass graves no exchange.... generally happens slowly an is not noticed until new law begins to terrify, an foreign rule appearing in governing seats.
Even the God is turned against its own Nation an prefers another peoples God to destroy his followers for now bowing to the new god.
nations have been captured over an over again, have had their Native tongue Changed, have been forced to observe other faiths threw generations, an adapting in rest, I hardly believe that any Faith could be pure an really know its true roots. an the proof is bound in one book-the bible, conflicting laws, that blind anyone that has a good faith to believe those who delivered to the printing press.

nearly one in 3 children live in poverty in the USA, faith an God has forever been all one can turn to, when sociopaths make their way up within nights that they can persecute. was, is, an always will be.

Hi Charity,

The Hebrew government wrote and rewrote the OT books in the Babylonian captivity which has given the world a distorted view of what was an average history.

Over the ages and within nations today people cry "where is God" when they should ask "where is humanity?"
 

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The "mysteries of the kingdom" will continue to be revealed after this life on the Mansion worlds and beyond as we make our way back to the Father on Paradise.


"Down here I have taught you in proverbs and spoken to you in parables. I did so because you were only children in the spirit; but the time is coming when I will talk to you plainly concerning the Father and his kingdom. And I shall do this because the Father himself loves you and desires to be more fully revealed to you. Mortal man cannot see the spirit Father; therefore have I come into the world to show the Father to your creature eyes. But when you have become perfected in spirit growth, you shall then see the Father himself.”
 
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Jesus was Jewish as well as ALL 12 of his apostles and most of his early converts. You assume things that I do not say.

The "mysteries of the kingdom" are those spiritual truths that ANY sincere truth seeker could extrapolate from the parables among the multitudes that heard Jesus speak. Privately, among the 12, Jesus told more parables and allowed the apostles to consider the meanings.

You are the corrupter based on a point that has failed. Anyone, weather apostle or disciple, could discern the truths of parables.

Absolutely none of those things are mentioned in or relevant to Matthews: 13 verses: 1 to 17.

You are simply adding your own spin arbitrarily so as to serve your own preconceived agenda.

I ask you to render the revelations in, Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 17, in your own words, without adding your spin and you seem incapable of doing so. You are not prepared to simply respect, recognize and/or honor the purity of the literal and uncontaminated revelations in these verses.
 

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Absolutely none of those things are mentioned in or relevant to Matthews: 13 verses: 1 to 17.

You are simply adding your own spin arbitrarily so as to serve your own preconceived agenda.

I ask you to render the revelations in, Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 17, in your own words, without adding your spin and you seem incapable of doing so. You are not prepared to simply respect, recognize and/or honor the purity of the literal and uncontaminated revelations in these verses.

When the truth is it is you has the agenda. Jesus spoke parables publically and privately to reveal the mysteries of the kingdom to believers. No spin is needed, it's not complicated. Anyone with spiritual insight could understand the parables then and now.
 

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Id be Happy if celestials on the scene mentioned that all biblical exiles were nation exchanges, by Governing force. worse still, mass graves no exchange.... generally happens slowly an is not noticed until new law begins to terrify, an foreign rule appearing in governing seats.
Even the God is turned against its own Nation an prefers another peoples God to destroy his followers for now bowing to the new god.
nations have been captured over an over again, have had their Native tongue Changed, have been forced to observe other faiths threw generations, an adapting in rest, I hardly believe that any Faith could be pure an really know its true roots. an the proof is bound in one book-the bible, conflicting laws, that blind anyone that has a good faith to believe those who delivered to the printing press.

nearly one in 3 children live in poverty in the USA, faith an God has forever been all one can turn to, when sociopaths make their way up within nights that they can persecute. was, is, an always will be.

Hi Charity, as a matter of comparative religions here in the religion section on TOL we can consider some other ideas about the cross from the UB:


>>>> You will find here concepts that are not commonly found in established religious teachings, however they are necessary for complete clarification of truth >>>
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~* Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and the offering of himself for the wrongdoings of others are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that our world has become known among other neighbouring inhabited planets as the “World of the Cross.” ~
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~* Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on earth. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the mortal drama. In your well-meant efforts to escape the superstitious errors of the false interpretation of the meaning of the death on the cross, you should be careful not to make the great mistake of failing to perceive the true significance and the genuine import of the Master’s death ~
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~* Mortal man was never the property of the evil ones: Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him ~
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~* Before Jesus lived on earth, you might possibly have been justified in believing in such a God, but not since the Master lived and died among your fellows. Moses taught the dignity and justice of a Creator God; but Jesus portrayed the love and mercy of a heavenly Father ~
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~* The animal nature — the tendency toward evil-doing — may be hereditary, but sin is not transmitted from parent to child. Sin is the act of conscious and deliberate rebellion against the Father’s will and the Sons’ laws by an individual ~
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~* Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died here, it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh ~
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~* Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a saviour. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of our local universe ~
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~* When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature ~
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~* All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served men ~
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~* Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution ~
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~* Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender ~
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~* The great thing about the death of Jesus, as it is related to the enrichment of human experience and the enlargement of the way of salvation, is not the fact of his death but rather the superb manner and the matchless spirit in which he met death ~
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~* This entire idea of the ransom of the atonement places salvation upon a plane of unreality; such a concept is purely philosophic. Human salvation is real; it is based on two realities which may be grasped by faith and thereby become incorporated into individual human experience: the fact of the fatherhood of God and its correlated truth, the brotherhood of man. It is true, after all, that you are to be “forgiven your debts, even as you forgive your debtors.”
 

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[size=+1]Jesus spoke parables publically and privately to reveal the mysteries of the kingdom to believers.[/size]
You are deliberately denying, blaspheming and corrupting the KJV N.T. while pretending to esteem same.

You are making up your own scriptures which totally opposes Jesus revelation and you are seeking to pass it out as Jesus'.

Jesus spoke in parables to the masses for one simple reason: "they were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven." This is confirmed unequivocally, by the Lord Jesus, in the following:
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Do you realize that you are converting Jesus' words to its totally opposite meaning? If you can take that kind of liberty (to convert things in the KJV N.T. to their opposite meaning) and get away with it, then next, you can claim that Jesus is not the Christ but the Antichrist. Clearly you are dangerous and not to be trusted.

You are so boldly and corruptly, promoting your idea which is the exact opposite to what Jesus confirmed . . . and falsely passing your idea out as Christianity. Is that not extreme corruption? Who would do that other than a false prophet who came in Jesus' name?

Clearly your agenda is to deny Jesus in some not so cunning but certainly subterfuge manner while pretending to be unlike the Jews (i.e. according to your claims).

You seem to have the agenda against Jesus which you originally claim the Jews had. However, it is evidence here that you are pretending that you do not have that agenda. You must be attempting to fool unsuspecting and naive readers into adopting your unsavory Anti-Christian agenda. Are you doing this unwittingly or are you a spy?

You are literally promoting the exact opposite to what Jesus confirmed in the above simple and very straightforward revelation.

Please stop.
 
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You are deliberately denying, blaspheming and corrupting the KJV N.T. while pretending to esteem same.

You are making up your own scriptures which totally opposes Jesus revelation and you are seeking to pass it out as Jesus'.

Jesus spoke in parables to the masses for one simple reason: "they were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven." This is confirmed unequivocally, by the Lord Jesus, in the following:


Do you realize that you are converting Jesus' words to its totally opposite meaning? If you can take that kind of liberty (to convert thing to their opposite meaning) and get away with it, then next, you can claim that Jesus is not the Christ but the Antichrist.

You are so boldly and corruptly, promoting your idea which is the exact opposite to what Jesus confirmed . . . and falsely passing your idea out as Christianity. Is that not extreme corruption? Who would do that other than a false prophet who came in Jesus' name?

Clearly your agenda is to deny Jesus in some not so cunning but certainly subterfuge manner while pretending to be unlike the Jews (i.e. according to your claims).

You seem to have the agenda against Jesus which you originally claim the Jews had. However, it is evidence here that you are pretending that you do not have that agenda. You must be attempting to fool unsuspecting and naive readers into adopting your unsavory Anti-Christian agenda. Are you doing this unwittingly or are you a spy?

You are literally promoting the exact opposite to what Jesus confirmed in the above simple and very straightforward revelation.

Please stop.

"You" and "them" meant believers and non believers.

This argument of yours makes Jesus out to be foolish going about teaching things that nobody believed or understood. Jesus did have followers among the crowds but also unbelievers, heathens and spies for the Pharisee's and such.

It could be that you cannot discern the mysteries of the kingdom yourself and are blind to these simple truths?


10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

Jesus was speaking of anyone who chanced to hear his teachings.
 

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"You" and "them" meant believers and non believers.

This argument of yours makes Jesus out to be foolish going about teaching things that nobody believed or understood. Jesus did have followers among the crowds but also unbelievers, heathens and spies for the Pharisee's and such.

It could be that you cannot discern the mysteries of the kingdom yourself and are blind to these simple truths?


10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

Jesus was speaking of anyone who chanced to hear his teachings.

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The reason is that our discussion is not at home on this thread. This thread is reserved for another philosophy.

Also our discussion is will not get adequate airing on this thread. I seek to stimulate wider participation.

If you transfer this post to that new thread, I will be willing to respond, as usual.
 

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You'll know that I've lost my mind if you find out that I spent any time at all with the urantia UFO CULT BALONEY. I know what it is, and I know that it's not worth one minute of my time.

You urantia cult members have a hard time in even giving the ub away because of what it is. You have to beg people to read it because of what it is. It's garbage BALONEY.
 

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As comparative religion, UB readers realize where things began to go down hill. Christ Michael sent us his life story unadulterated, we know there was a gospel that Jesus preached to the Jews, before they tragically rejected their calling, before killing Jesus became the new gospel.


The Urantia Book

Paper 194

Bestowal of the Spirit of Truth

(2059.1) 194:0.1 ABOUT one o’clock, as the one hundred and twenty believers were engaged in prayer, they all became aware of a strange presence in the room. At the same time these disciples all became conscious of a new and profound sense of spiritual joy, security, and confidence. This new consciousness of spiritual strength was immediately followed by a strong urge to go out and publicly proclaim the gospel of the kingdom and the good news that Jesus had risen from the dead.

(2059.2) 194:0.2 Peter stood up and declared that this must be the coming of the Spirit of Truth which the Master had promised them and proposed that they go to the temple and begin the proclamation of the good news committed to their hands. And they did just what Peter suggested.

(2059.3) 194:0.3 These men had been trained and instructed that the gospel which they should preach was the fatherhood of God and the sonship of man, but at just this moment of spiritual ecstasy and personal triumph, the best tidings, the greatest news, these men could think of was the fact of the risen Master. And so they went forth, endowed with power from on high, preaching glad tidings to the people — even salvation through Jesus — but they unintentionally stumbled into the error of substituting some of the facts associated with the gospel for the gospel message itself. Peter unwittingly led off in this mistake, and others followed after him on down to Paul, who created a new religion out of the new version of the good news.

(2059.4) 194:0.4 The gospel of the kingdom is: the fact of the fatherhood of God, coupled with the resultant truth of the sonship-brotherhood of men. Christianity, as it developed from that day, is: the fact of God as the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, in association with the experience of believer-fellowship with the risen and glorified Christ.

(2059.5) 194:0.5 It is not strange that these spirit-infused men should have seized upon this opportunity to express their feelings of triumph over the forces which had sought to destroy their Master and end the influence of his teachings. At such a time as this it was easier to remember their personal association with Jesus and to be thrilled with the assurance that the Master still lived, that their friendship had not ended, and that the spirit had indeed come upon them even as he had promised.

(2059.6) 194:0.6 These believers felt themselves suddenly translated into another world, a new existence of joy, power, and glory. The Master had told them the kingdom would come with power, and some of them thought they were beginning to discern what he meant.

(2059.7) 194:0.7 And when all of this is taken into consideration, it is not difficult to understand how these men came to preach a new gospel about Jesus in the place of their former message of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of men.
 
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