The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

That's your opinion and you know what they say about those, your biblical theology has it's own historical slight of hand show as well, and theology is just as big a racket as the new age diversions, and even though a good lawyer can weave a good defense intellectually, it is still just as much a fraud as before which is the foundation of the Jesus myth having died for your sins, repentance is fear porn and only keeps people trapped in that wheel, look how many christian have the patriot virus and defend the war mongers because they are indoctrinated, and love their masters who suck off their soul.

If biblical myth is all you have to intellectually offer than you can keep it, everyone can claim spiritual connection to this God but without walking in their shoes it's "all assumption and presumption" bluster and boast.

It's ironic that you present your opinion to address what you consider to be my opinion. It's another of the many script-flip inequities by you and your peers in this thread.

Denouncing book/s while adhering to book/s. And the bolded is the same. You claim some spiritual connection to whatever God but it's all assumption and presumption bluster and boast.

There's no difference in what you practice and what you accuse of others. That's self-refuting and inane beyond virtually anything else.

What would they do without a book, or a Messiah figure to follow? Even Jesus pointed inwardly and remarked the kingdom is not seen with these two eyes (deceivers) the third eye in-between the temples is heavens door, Jacob's story reveals that as well.

Still waiting for them to do greater things than Jesus.

Blessings Zeke.

(bolded) Yet another instance of applying one's own perception without basic and true understanding.

The Greek for "greater" (things") means "elder" or "mature". It means we are to do the mature works of an elder inner ontology in Christ that eclipsed the outer demonstrations of Christ that also continued in the childish things of the gifts.

It's all about knowing the difference between rhema and logos, and between soul and spirit. Not one of you Esotericists will ever know those distinctions, but still thinking yourself to know.

It's... maddeningly sad a pathetic to those of us who DO know. And I'm certainly not talking about mainstream Christianity, since this also applies to them as it does you and your peers.

 

[freelight]

Truth in any form, has nothing to fear.......

Truth in any form, has nothing to fear.......

Freelight,

Don't talk to me with hidden words and agenda. Yes, it is a corruptible book, made from corruptible, storytelling minds, on their endless voyage to somewhere besides Heaven.

All is shared in open light. As I noted before...the terms 'corruptible' or 'incorruptible' do not necessarily apply to books, since only 'God' is of an incorruptible nature,...all else is subject to corruption, distortion, imperfection, finity, mortality, etc.

As far as 'mythology' goes or 'storytelling' the Bible and religious books of all kinds employ it, its a 'vehicle' for communicating ideas, beliefs, concepts. As far as heaven goes, the UB speaks much of heaven (Havona, the Isle of Paradise and many other heavenly spheres or 'mansion-worlds'....remember Jesus said in his Father's house are many mansions.)

Life is an endless voyage, especially when you consider both 'eternity' and 'infinity'. This life is but a blink of an eye.

I have already read more than I want to over a number of months here and every time I do, I see word games, sneaky twisted words to mislead people. I hope you're having fun misleading tons of people away from God, not to Him. You KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

The sharing of information, points of view, personal insights and perspectives have nothing to do with misleading anyone, at least coming from this source. We went over that. This is a new age of information, freedom of thought-speech and spiritual discovery. Truth has nothing to fear, in whatever form or language-symbols it reveals itself. Consciousness itself is free and unbounded.

You say you belong to Hindu, and this is what we get?? Then you list a number of different religions it COULD BE??

Hinduism is one of my understudies, especially 'Advaita Vedanta' (non-dualism), yet within 'Sanatana Dharma' are various schools, so one has freedom to choose which he associates with. Our 'Hinduism' thread is no longer extant, so a new one may be forthcoming. I'd suggest a basic primer in 'comparative religions' to expand your horizons a bit, that would also help with facilitating a more fruitful discussion. Reality is Universal. One Sun, many rays. One Ocean, many rivers. 'God' in essence is indivisible...yet appears as the divisible universe in all her substances and forms, yet 'God' is still the all-originating, all-pervading, all-encompassing reality....the Heart.

So, then, whatever I want to say can be a religion and be accepted at TOL??

The UB was first published in the 1950's, its been in the public domain free for any to read ever since. Its not a religion, neither a cult, but a collection of papers, claiming to be the 5th 'epochal' revelation to the planet.

Dr. Meredith Sprunger offers a very reasonable introduction below for your consideration:

An Introduction to the Urantia Book for Conservative Christians

Also -

UB deviations from Traditional Christian Theology

This is barbaric!

Not at all. Its just information. You're way over-reacting. Knowledge inspires, liberates, encourages, empowers.

YEAH, you're quite the EXPOUNDER. People do have a mind of their own to use and are responsible. So was SON OF SAM and JIM JONES. Every man reaps what he sows, eh. So you have to add to our woes??

Sharing info. about the UB has little to with above persons nor can be 'equated',...since this is just information being shared on a discussion forum....in the 'Religion' section, being 'appropriate' there.

I'm tired of letting this TRAVESTY keep misleading people on TOL. I know already that we reap what we sow, but this isn't fair at all. It's insidious. It's not right!!

You're under a false assumption that an intentional misleading of anyone is taking place here (I can only speak for myself as being one of the commentators here, since the UB is only one of many books that I've studied) as I've always been about a free exchange of ideas in the context of 'creative dialogue'. Language is a means of inter-relating, exploring all points of view, all dimensions of existence, all concepts and beyond.

I AM free, right here, right now. - if we are discussing/expounding on any given book or collection of books of a religious/philosophical nature, that is what is being 'expounded' upon. There's nothing 'insidious' about a free and open exchange of ideas where participants are free to research, explore and make up their own minds on any given subject in the appropriate forum. At points of disagreement/contrast/difference,...those are to be elaborated upon,...each case explained and conclusions accepted, - agreeing to disagree while being respectful/cordial about it is most preferable. Remember this section on the forum is on 'Religion'. For further illumination, the UB gives an very extensive dissertation on 'Religion' here.

What is odd here is most of the critics here have not read any substantial part of the papers (beginning with the first 10-12 papers at least)...or Part 4 where the life, ministry and teachings of Jesus are shared, and are pre-judging, accusing, demonizing, discrediting it outright from a position of religious exclusivity, dogmatism, ignorance, assumptions, etc. As far as particulars,...some have been addressed, but we can only go so far in a 'constructive discussion' or 'dialogue' as both parties are willing to be civil about it, without resorting to personal attack, ad hominems or condenscending remarks that are unnecessary. Discuss the content, principles, concepts, ideas, theories of the subject at hand, expand on those relative to the topic. Baseless assertions, outright dismissals, demonizations are infantile maneuvers if one is ignorant of what they are criticizing.




pj

 

[freelight]

cosmos.....

cosmos.....

Dear Paulie,

After your mind is so full of this Urantia Books and Urantia Pages jargon, how are you going to find room in your mind for the Truth of Jesus Christ and Messiah, who sets us free?

Again, remember the subject of the thread,...that's what the discussion is about - my mind is only upon the subject if I'm reading the material and engaging in a dialogue on it. Since you haven't educated yourself fully enough on what the papers teach about Jesus (Our Creator Son, Lord and Savior)...you cant see the similarities or differences between a traditional-orthodox Christian concept of Jesus and the UB's presentation of him. You'd have to familiarize yourself with the information, then read Part 4, if you're interested. That's a basic prerequisite for having an intelligent dialogue. Part 4 is perhaps the most complete record of Jesus life recorded, as it covers every year of his life. Much more than what the gospels offer. Its there. Believe it or not.




pj

 

[freelight]

Learning.....a wonderful concept eh?

Learning.....a wonderful concept eh?

He knows better Michael.

- Knowledge is universal. The problem here is a distortion of it regarding the UB in general, as seen in the ignorance and assumptions here.

But it's like a boy learning he aint shootin' blanks anymore, so he keeps on firing his gun.

But as far as spirit guides and angels go, you of all folks should have an open mind about those things.

Information is available and free.

Granted I am in the dark here having read not one page of this thread.

Then why don't you? I've left ample commentary, resource-links so that all is readily available to consider. Until you do, you come from a place of 'ignorance' and are therefore subject to presupposition, misinformation, assumption. Since you are cognizant of some my theological insights and study,...you might do well to 'consider' more carefully how I incorporate all things, comparing and contrasting all. The Christology of the UB is very interesting, and combines aspects of both 'Unitarianism' and 'Trinitarianism'...but goes beyond orthodox Christian definitions. We've covered this here. I've been meaning to make a blog-post-archive for this thread itself, so persons can access particular subjects easy.

Keep things centered on Jesus and what he said, then let the chips fall where they will.

Indeed,....Part 4 is all about Jesus.

You yourself still believe the earth is spinning and traveling around the sun. :rotfl:

So why trip out on a urantia .... what ever fantasy?

Its just information. Michael has to look at his own psychological reactions here and see the bigger picture of God's infinite LOVE and gospel, which reveals the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of all men. Such is the focus of the gospel of Jesus revealed in the papers. If any want to see what Jesus teaches there,...the UB is available on many websites in the public domain. Study of previous papers is essential though if one is to understand the divine hierarchy, Paradise Trinity, order of divine Sons, etc. Its all a very consistent comprehensive cosmology. You can remain uninformed, or becmoe informed. Your choice.






pj

 

[freelight]

Cosmic creation/evolution...............

Cosmic creation/evolution...............

It is corruptible because it mentions imaginary galaxies and universes, etc. That doesn't cut it, freelight.

Did you ever stop to consider the infinity and eternal majesty of God's creation?

Accepting that there are perhaps millions of other inhabited planets in the Grand universe and beyond is not such a stretch, seeing that we cant even find the end of the universe. The UB offers an expanded cosmology of various descriptions and dimensions.

See:

UB Astronomy

Cosmology

Our unfolding Universe

Again,...do you know absolutely that there are not vast worlds, galaxies, universes out beyond ours that are not teeming with life? The revelation that the Isle of Paradise is at the very epi-center of the Grand Universe is pretty wonderful, with 7 superuniverses swirling around it, then there still being outer-space levels out beyond that are potentialized for further creation. Infinity has all potential, as the dynamic-impetus behind creation.



pj

 

[Zeke]

It's ironic that you present your opinion to address what you consider to be my opinion. It's another of the many script-flip inequities by you and your peers in this thread.

Denouncing book/s while adhering to book/s. And the bolded is the same. You claim some spiritual connection to whatever God but it's all assumption and presumption bluster and boast.

There's no difference in what you practice and what you accuse of others. That's self-refuting and inane beyond virtually anything else.




(bolded) Yet another instance of applying one's own perception without basic and true understanding.

The Greek for "greater" (things") means "elder" or "mature". It means we are to do the mature works of an elder inner ontology in Christ that eclipsed the outer demonstrations of Christ that also continued in the childish things of the gifts.

It's all about knowing the difference between rhema and logos, and between soul and spirit. Not one of you Esotericists will ever know those distinctions, but still thinking yourself to know.

It's... maddeningly sad a pathetic to those of us who DO know. And I'm certainly not talking about mainstream Christianity, since this also applies to them as it does you and your peers.

Like you don't do any of the above assertions as well, you should open up a crystal ball shop seeing you can see all from up there on your perch, no man came down here to save you except you, you are crucified inwardly not this Jesus a metaphor for that inward process. Wake up sleeping girl the elves are shaking you.

 

[Caino]

Originally Posted by MichaelCadry


It is corruptible because it mentions imaginary galaxies and universes, etc. That doesn't cut it, freelight.

Imaginary?

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Caino,

There is only one Universe. And as far as there being more galaxies, of course I believe that. The names you call them: where did you get that information. Who told you these names?? Of course, I've read different paragraphs of your book. That doesn't change anything.

Also, must you consider that all books are good books. How about a book about Charles Manson, Hitler or Mussolini?? I'm sure Our Bible would mention different Universes/plural if it were true. You and Pneuma, Caino, Zeke, and freelight, have your fun. I don't like talking to you so spare me. You talk like you write. No desire for any more of that.

Michael

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Like you don't do any of the above assertions as well, you should open up a crystal ball shop seeing you can see all from up there on your perch, no man came down here to save you except you, you are crucified inwardly not this Jesus a metaphor for that inward process. Wake up sleeping girl the elves are shaking you.

But here's the problem. You and others have come here with this premise. You flip the script and then do the same thing. Then you say I/we are doing what you and others have come here doing.

You mock a book and adhere to a book. You mock spiritual connection and then claim spiritual connection. Everything you use to criticize the Christian faith is exactly what you do yourself. And then you just tried to turn it back on me again above in a double script flip.

The truth is ontological, not creedal. It's about being, not doing. All doing must come from being. And that is about translation of underlyind reality of existence (hypostasis).

You're no closer than the nominal mainstream professing Christians you so vehemently despise and presume/d I am.

If you knew what rhema and logos were in realtionship to spirit and soul, you'd have a chance since you're already removed from the Beast system in a physical way.

But you've just embraced another sequence in the false dialectic, and you haven't been translated. It isn't by knowing, but being. The knowing comes from being. So you don't even know.

Y'know? LOL. (You don't. That was just humor.)

This is better convo that about the UB. It's just a book proposed instead of another book. And I'm not a Bibliolator. The Bible doesn't save. It's the death the letter. Gotta have the life.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

- Knowledge is universal. The problem here is a distortion of it regarding the UB in general, as seen in the ignorance and assumptions here.



Information is available and free.



Then why don't you? I've left ample commentary, resource-links so that all is readily available to consider. Until you do, you come from a place of 'ignorance' and are therefore subject to presupposition, misinformation, assumption. Since you are cognizant of some my theological insights and study,...you might do well to 'consider' more carefully how I incorporate all things, comparing and contrasting all. The Christology of the UB is very interesting, and combines aspects of both 'Unitarianism' and 'Trinitarianism'...but goes beyond orthodox Christian definitions. We've covered this here. I've been meaning to make a blog-post-archive for this thread itself, so persons can access particular subjects easy.



Indeed,....Part 4 is all about Jesus.



Its just information. Michael has to look at his own psychological reactions here and see the bigger picture of God's infinite LOVE and gospel, which reveals the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of all men. Such is the focus of the gospel of Jesus revealed in the papers. If any want to see what Jesus teaches there,...the UB is available on many websites in the public domain. Study of previous papers is essential though if one is to understand the divine hierarchy, Paradise Trinity, order of divine Sons, etc. Its all a very consistent comprehensive cosmology. You can remain uninformed, or becmoe informed. Your choice.






pj

It's all good Freelight.

I'm just not that interested in the urantia papers.

Although I may take the time to read what they say about Jesus.

As it stands now, I am in doubt of you as to having the Holy Ruach.

See I have Him, and like Popeye, I is what I is and I knows what I nose.

It is by the Holy Spirit that I know Paul's letters to Timothy are for real.

It is also by the Holy Spirit that I know Jesus came, taught, died and rose again.

I seek only that knowledge that comes from above.

If I am supposed to read those papers, I will.

I do actually appreciate yer study habits and communication skills.

So much so that my place of ignorance is actually determined by your ability to communicate what you know from reading them.

So if you can get me interested I'm all ears. Iron sharpens iron.

I take big bites of Jesus,smaller bites of the wicked one.

 

[freelight]

Books and hooks.......

Books and hooks.......

I find it ironic that nobody else finds it ironic that someone would make such a statement in a thread about such "a book". Or in freelight's case, many "books".

You might be reminded that Zeke's statement is towards the 'mentality' of many dogmatic Christian fundamentalists who hold the 'Bible' to be "God's inerrant word", who worship such almost to the point of 'idolatry', so that heaven knows what such a person would do without it. The same with a Jesus/Christ/Messiah figure, some personage who represents 'God' to someone,...that too can be worshipped as an 'idol' of some sort, while worship of 'Real God' is not had.

I've taken you off 'ignore' if only momentarily, on a 'trial' basis if you can discuss without being demeaning, degrading, condescending or vulgar, as I will not tolerate being subjected to such vitriol as your manners were in past exchanges. I haven't the space or time for such negative, harmful and de-humanizing antics. Past words need to be acknowledged, admitted, then forgiven. Words have power, they have karmic repurcussions, and creative effects. I'd rather our dialogue be civil and considerate, because what it boils down to is how we treat others, because we are each a reflections of one another, being reflections of the One God-Presence. Hence to do harm to another is to do harm to oneself and all, and to do good likewise. On that note while an 'open channel' is maintained (at least for the moment), let us commence......

As far as 'books go -

Its not ironic but on topic, since the subject of the thread is the UB. Its a collection of papers, (the Urantia Papers)....only later formalized under the title 'The Urantia Book' for printing/publicity reasons. I'm well aware that books, words, concepts are just that,...being intellectual forms without life, whereas only the Spirit is life and gives life. As a spiritualist, I assume thats a given. I've not ever worshipped, glorified or presented any book or religious document (and I've commented on plenty) as 'God's innerant word', like some fundamentalists do to the Bible (so a comparison cannot be made)...and those who falsely assume I hold the UB as some absolute, final, perfect revelation, are twice ignorant, since most haven't a clue what the papers teach (for starters), but feel free to spew their 'holier than thou' pronouncements upon it. Serving as a commentator on the material does not mean I uphold it as exclusive, absolute or final truth. Nowhere have I ever claimed such, and those who know my eclectic, universal, all-inclusive approach to religion, science and philosophsy..... know better.

What would Caino do without the UB fodder?

He can speak for himself, as he comes from a lineage of UB readers and might be more zealous in a fundamental sense in his devotion to the revelation. Our approach revealed in the thread and elsewhere is different on some points and intersects.

What would pj do without all those books?

I would just be. I'm quite content to abide in the pure essence of my own 'being', which is non-different than the divine Being, since 'God' is One, and is the Only One Existing in reality. This is a higher direct-path teaching of 'Advaita' (non-duality) which I also am a student of, and expound upon, - although my older thread on 'Non-Duality' is no longer extant. A few great teachers in this tradition are Ramana Maharshi & Nisargadatta Maharaj....for starters. Adi Da Samraj is also a great teacher or 'avatar' for those who recognize the teaching on reality itself, which is the true way. But this way is different than the UB presentation of relativity and duality in the vast cosmos with its intricate relationships and assocations. The closest thing that approaches the 'atman' in Vedanta is the 'thought-adjuster' revealed in the UB, which is a pre-personal fragment of 'God' indwelling the mind of man. - that would in a sense be the 'I Am' presence within, which the soul may merge with, and is said to 'fuse' with the mortal when it has reached the stage of 'ascension', whereby the soul and 'God' become truly one.

Nobody has been "bookless" in their approach to this topic. So that statement stands as a monument to the self-refuting paradox of anything else that is said.

Thats because its about a 'book'

Because it's all based on a book or books while denouncing books.

Not necessarily. While the UB reveals corrections, updates or modifications of the traditionally received biblical texts,....it does not outright denounce the whole of it, but recognizes that much truth and wisdom is within the bible and related texts, despite imperfections, interpolations or redactions of the texts carried on in the process of translation. Progressive revelation naturally supercedes previously given knowledge,... enhancing, perfecting it. In a continuum of space-time relativity,...there is no end to progressive revelation. There is only complete finality, absoluteness, infinity, perfection, ultimacy in 'God' alone. - all else 'relating' in a conditional, dualistic world...undergoes change, evolution, transformation.

Words fail.

Yes,....a 'word' is not the thing itself...but are only pointers, referents, symbols. Truth itself is Self-cognizing, being Light itself, that originating light at the heart of and at the root of consciousness. It is wordless, always already present as what IS. I Am that. ('that' pure 'being' and 'consciousness' that is 'God') - this is the basic proposition of Advaita (non-duality)....the ancient Vedic truth...explained more clearly in the Upanishads.

Anyways,...in THIS thread, the UB gets the spotlight, to stand or fall on its own merit, content and principles. Its enigmatic and extraordinary presentation is unique unto itself. Those not willing to do enough research and reading to find out what its all about (resource links, commentary, video-audios have been provided)...cannot engage an informed discussion can they. It makes a wonderful platform or 'nexus' for discussion.


In-joy,



pj

 

[freelight]

Information sharing...................

Information sharing...................

It's all good Freelight.

That it is

I'm just not that interested in the urantia papers.

Noted.

Although I may take the time to read what they say about Jesus.

We've covered it here on the thread, but could go deeper into it, for which we would need to consult the papers concerning.

As it stands now, I am in doubt of you as to having the Holy Ruach.

- only 'God' knows and those on the same spiritual wave-frequency

See I have Him, and like Popeye, I is what I is and I knows what I nose.

Your subjective personal claim and assumption noted.

It is by the Holy Spirit that I know Paul's letters to Timothy are for real.

Most liberal scholars however doubt the authenticity of the Pastorals, they being later productions (not Paul's own writing).

See:

1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus

It is also by the Holy Spirit that I know Jesus came, taught, died and rose again.

If the story didn't exist in written or oral form first,...would the Spirit still have revealed it to you? What you probably mean is the Spirit bears witness to the truth of the oral-written accounts, BUT its still a matter of faith, believing in Jesus (that he even existed), the events of his life, and his teachings.....however those translate.

I seek only that knowledge that comes from above.

Don't we all....of the positive-path approach.

If I am supposed to read those papers, I will.

Yes,.....events and conditions will allow for such if destined to be part of your soul-path. I've found I am brought into 'contact' with particular books, persons, places, things..... at certain time-points along the journey.

I do actually appreciate yer study habits and communication skills.

Thank you.

So much so that my place of ignorance is actually determined by your ability to communicate what you know from reading them.

I love serving in the capacity of teacher/expounder, but also recommend/require research(home work) for the learner....since one has to be responsible to invest the time and energy in acquiring knowledge and enabling wisdom in such matters. Note that a 'learner' must 'earn' it - I am ever learning, and must in order to be a good teacher,....we all revolve back n forth in such roles (teacher/student)

So if you can get me interested I'm all ears. Iron sharpens iron.

It will take some time/effort, you can read thru this thread...but may have to go thru a lot of 'dirt' n 'gravel' to find the gold, since critics and nay-sayers have been interjecting from the get go here. I'd say that's a good way as far as introduction, as Caino and I have been anchoring the thread so to speak. In the dialogue, valuable resource-links, videos, etc. are provided.

I take big bites of Jesus,smaller bites of the wicked one.

:crackup:

Aumen brother,



pj

 

[Caino]

Dear Caino,

There is only one Universe. And as far as there being more galaxies, of course I believe that. The names you call them: where did you get that information. Who told you these names?? Of course, I've read different paragraphs of your book. That doesn't change anything.

Also, must you consider that all books are good books. How about a book about Charles Manson, Hitler or Mussolini?? I'm sure Our Bible would mention different Universes/plural if it were true. You and Pneuma, Caino, Zeke, and freelight, have your fun. I don't like talking to you so spare me. You talk like you write. No desire for any more of that.

Michael

Never said anything about all books being good books, don't know where you got that idea.

The Urantia Papers provide the names of the Authors and the line of authority under Christ to make this 5th epochal revelation.

More has been revealed at this critical juncture in the evolution of our world. The entire life story of Jesus as well as much more information about where Jesus came from, why and where he is now as sovereign Lord and God.

 

[Caino]

Urantia Book is being translated to Hebrew.

07/03/2014
Author:
Gabriel Rymberg

A translation of The Urantia Book cannot be anything else but a “labor of love.” In fact, the first question I was asked when I approached Urantia Foundation about translating the book into Hebrew was: “Do you propose to translate the book as a labor-of-love or as a labor-for-hire?”

By Gabriel Rymberg, on behalf of the translation team, Nazareth, Israel

How It All Started

A translation of The Urantia Book cannot be anything else but a “labor of love.” In fact, the first question I was asked when I approached Urantia Foundation about translating the book into Hebrew was: “Do you propose to translate the book as a labor-of-love or as a labor-for-hire?”

At that time, almost three years ago, I was reading the book for the first time, and from the moment I began, I could not stop. I would read in every spare moment, squinting on my little iPhone screen.

It took about a year for me to complete the first and second readings (every translator is asked to read the book cover-to-cover at least twice before commencing work). Then I took a test consisting of the translation into Hebrew of two full papers of my choosing. I chose the Foreword (just kidding). I chose Papers 1 and 120. Soon after, the Papers were submitted to a long-time reader who is fluent in Hebrew. Following his green light, in May of 2012, the translation project began in earnest.

Would you like to know what is required to produce a high-quality translation of The Urantia Book? Then, you are cordially invited to read on.

The Team

We started as a duo, and we are now a trio. A team that is both minimal and complete. No wonder the triads are so popular in the universe of universes. Our team members complement one another with our skills and contributions.

One team member was born in Israel and has lived in the U.S. for many years. He has been studying The Urantia Book for the last forty years and has a perspective that comes with such a long experience. He is principally responsible for the accuracy of the translation and its fidelity.

About a year ago, our third member joined the team. He is a native of Israel and a gifted poet, writer, and editor in English and Hebrew. In the application of his unique skill, the draft becomes a “symphony of words” with vast superior quality in comparison with the first draft.

As for me, I am Gabriel Rymberg, and I serve as chief translator. I have been translating professionally for four years. I have been on a long search for answers, some of which were found in The Urantia Book, all of them were found in the heart.

The Process

We would like to share with you the details of what it really takes to translate The Urantia Book. What follows is indicative of all the translations that are officially sponsored by Urantia Foundation. The Foundation’s process is designed to ensure that a translation is of the best quality by using the best translation practices.

Before commencing the translation, the chief translator translated from English into Hebrew a list of special terms consisting of more than 1,000 entries. These terms include all of the names of personalities, places, and things revealed in the book, as well as all the special words the revelators created to supplement the English language in order to denote concepts unknown on Urantia at the time of the revelation. An example is absonite.

Next, we started with the Papers themselves. In order to produce a quality translation, we started with the Foreword and are proceeding in sequential order to Paper 196. However, the translation process embraces two drafts of the entire book. The initial draft is produced by the chief translator, paragraph by paragraph, section by section, and paper by paper. Next, each of the revisers reads this draft and comments on it. Comments are made paragraph by paragraph, and we all use a dedicated tool developed by the Foundation specifically for this process―The Translator’s Portal. As soon as both revisers have commented on the initial draft, the chief translator integrates all of the comments, and this constitutes the “final” first draft. At the current rate of work (two papers per month), the duration of this phase is projected to be a little more than eight years.

Once the final first draft is complete, the entire team will switch to “revision” mode. All three of us will re-visit the entire book and make comments, and then the chief translator shall integrate all of the comments into the second draft. This second draft will then be ready for publication. The duration of this phase is projected to be an additional two years.

Why Does It Take Ten Years?

One might ask why it takes ten years to translate The Urantia Book. To achieve the highest fidelity in meaning to the English text and the highest possible aesthetic representation in the target language can require 15 minutes or more to translate one paragraph. And I read and re-read it until I feel I cannot do any better at this point. Professional translators, working for hire, have a limited amount of time and attention that they can invest in any particular task because the customer will not be willing to pay them more. This is why the translation of The Urantia Book cannot be anything but a labor-of-love inspired by the Spirit of Truth and the Thought Adjusters of all the individuals involved―not to mention our unseen friends.

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The estimated time that it will take for three people to complete this translation is the following.

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This is the equivalent of 1,350 days or 3.7 years of non-stop work.

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[PneumaPsucheSoma]

You might be reminded that Zeke's statement is towards the 'mentality' of many dogmatic Christian fundamentalists who hold the 'Bible' to be "God's inerrant word", who worship such almost to the point of 'idolatry', so that heaven knows what such a person would do without it. The same with a Jesus/Christ/Messiah figure, some personage who represents 'God' to someone,...that too can be worshipped as an 'idol' of some sort, while worship of 'Real God' is not had.

I've taken you off 'ignore' if only momentarily, on a 'trial' basis if you can discuss without being demeaning, degrading, condescending or vulgar, as I will not tolerate being subjected to such vitriol as your manners were in past exchanges. I haven't the space or time for such negative, harmful and de-humanizing antics. Past words need to be acknowledged, admitted, then forgiven. Words have power, they have karmic repurcussions, and creative effects. I'd rather our dialogue be civil and considerate, because what it boils down to is how we treat others, because we are each a reflections of one another, being reflections of the One God-Presence. Hence to do harm to another is to do harm to oneself and all, and to do good likewise. On that note while an 'open channel' is maintained (at least for the moment), let us commence......

As far as 'books go -

Its not ironic but on topic, since the subject of the thread is the UB. Its a collection of papers, (the Urantia Papers)....only later formalized under the title 'The Urantia Book' for printing/publicity reasons. I'm well aware that books, words, concepts are just that,...being intellectual forms without life, whereas only the Spirit is life and gives life. As a spiritualist, I assume thats a given. I've not ever worshipped, glorified or presented any book or religious document (and I've commented on plenty) as 'God's innerant word', like some fundamentalists do to the Bible (so a comparison cannot be made)...and those who falsely assume I hold the UB as some absolute, final, perfect revelation, are twice ignorant, since most haven't a clue what the papers teach (for starters), but feel free to spew their 'holier than thou' pronouncements upon it. Serving as a commentator on the material does not mean I uphold it as exclusive, absolute or final truth. Nowhere have I ever claimed such, and those who know my eclectic, universal, all-inclusive approach to religion, science and philosophsy..... know better.

He can speak for himself, as he comes from a lineage of UB readers and might be more zealous in a fundamental sense in his devotion to the revelation. Our approach revealed in the thread and elsewhere is different on some points and intersects.

I would just be. I'm quite content to abide in the pure essence of my own 'being', which is non-different than the divine Being, since 'God' is One, and is the Only One Existing in reality. This is a higher direct-path teaching of 'Advaita' (non-duality) which I also am a student of, and expound upon, - although my older thread on 'Non-Duality' is no longer extant. A few great teachers in this tradition are Ramana Maharshi & Nisargadatta Maharaj....for starters. Adi Da Samraj is also a great teacher or 'avatar' for those who recognize the teaching on reality itself, which is the true way. But this way is different than the UB presentation of relativity and duality in the vast cosmos with its intricate relationships and assocations. The closest thing that approaches the 'atman' in Vedanta is the 'thought-adjuster' revealed in the UB, which is a pre-personal fragment of 'God' indwelling the mind of man. - that would in a sense be the 'I Am' presence within, which the soul may merge with, and is said to 'fuse' with the mortal when it has reached the stage of 'ascension', whereby the soul and 'God' become truly one.

Thats because its about a 'book'

Not necessarily. While the UB reveals corrections, updates or modifications of the traditionally received biblical texts,....it does not outright denounce the whole of it, but recognizes that much truth and wisdom is within the bible and related texts, despite imperfections, interpolations or redactions of the texts carried on in the process of translation. Progressive revelation naturally supercedes previously given knowledge,... enhancing, perfecting it. In a continuum of space-time relativity,...there is no end to progressive revelation. There is only complete finality, absoluteness, infinity, perfection, ultimacy in 'God' alone. - all else 'relating' in a conditional, dualistic world...undergoes change, evolution, transformation.

Yes,....a 'word' is not the thing itself...but are only pointers, referents, symbols. Truth itself is Self-cognizing, being Light itself, that originating light at the heart of and at the root of consciousness. It is wordless, always already present as what IS. I Am that. ('that' pure 'being' and 'consciousness' that is 'God') - this is the basic proposition of Advaita (non-duality)....the ancient Vedic truth...explained more clearly in the Upanishads.

Anyways,...in THIS thread, the UB gets the spotlight, to stand or fall on its own merit, content and principles. Its enigmatic and extraordinary presentation is unique unto itself. Those not willing to do enough research and reading to find out what its all about (resource links, commentary, video-audios have been provided)...cannot engage an informed discussion can they. It makes a wonderful platform or 'nexus' for discussion.

In-joy,

pj

What you don't realize is what underlies all of this for everyone.

Rhema and the hearing of it is a hypostasis transforming a hypostasis. Hypostasis is the foundational underlying absolute assured substantial reality of existence. All human "beings" are an ousia (essence) underlied by a hypostasis (substance).

Rhema is the thing spoken about. The substance (hypostasis) of thought and speech. Faith is the substance (hypostasis) that comes by hearing (hearkening) to the rhema. That faith is the determinant in the qualitative existence of the hypostasis underlying the ousia.

Whatever one has heard in written or vocalized form, has determined their hypostasis. The human hypostasis in conjoined to whatever hypostasis of faith has come from whatever rhema.

You wouldn't just "BE". Your qualitative existence of "being" has been determined by whatever rhema you've heard. And it began after your conception at about four months gestational in the womb, and has continued to this day.

You're a product of rhema, whether you can ever recognize it or not. You just can't ever really know what rhema is in this context for several reasons.

That's why you've searched high and low. You've never found the one rhema that obviates the fallacy of all others.

Despite my bluntness, I truly grieve for your continuous death in all these things that you mistake for life. You're heard as much false rhema as anyone who's ever lived. I'm more sad for you than anything else.

But hey... I must be off ignore, or you clicked on my post. How 'bout that. Maybe the one true hypostasis of the one true Rhema will have its audience by grace to bring the true hypostasis of faith in your heart. That would be glorious.

Ponder these things if you dare.

 

[jeremysdemo]

Such is only a chart-depiction of the the Isle of Paradise and central divine universe as revealed in the UB. As one learns the descriptions better, they can relate to such charts. The Isle of Paradise is 'at' the very epi-center of the Grand Universe. All creation evolves, emenates from and is maintained from that divine center, wherein also the Paradise Trinity dwells. Remember,...'God' alone is the 'heart' of all reality, the source of all creation.

The UB has no association with UFO's as entertained in the minds of pop-culture, so your childish correlation with the book with UFO's is misplaced, besides 'mistaken'. There are transport seraphim and other angelic beings that assist in transporting spirit-beings or souls from one location to another, but I don't believe they use metallic materials or 'technology' for such acts. Again,..there are no mention of UFO's or little green men in the UB....AT ALL. All movements or transportation techniques in the mansion-worlds beyond (the spirit-worlds) are done by spiritual means or angelic assistance.

Ufology and different alien humanoid races within the local galaxies or universe systems as known on our world from the early 20th century is an entirely different field and study all its own. I should know, I had a thread on 'ET Theology', dealing with Ufology and physical/psychic contacts and the spiritual teaching transmissions from these various sources. Most of the higher teachings all contain common universal truth-principles concerning energy-thought-consciousness, while some data may be more trustworthy or tenable than others,....its very much the same as in the field of 'theology', with all its variations of doctrine, denominations, cultural dispositions...further conditioned by soul development. There are various stages or levels in the evolution of life. This is basic metaphysics dear

~*~*~

UB/UFO connection? links -

Are UFOs real of false?

What is the UFO phenomena all about?



pj

as such a primitive people how could they have known about the Big Bang, eg, center of all energy?

I wonder if any of your fans here have given any thought to that at all, it was either one very good guess or there is a place in our own spirituality where more can be known than meets the eye....

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

as such a primitive people how could they have known about the Big Bang, eg, center of all energy?

I wonder if any of your fans here have given any thought to that at all, it was either one very good guess or there is a place in our own spirituality where more can be known than meets the eye....

It was the ancient lie of the spirit of antichrist that has always gradually deluded men and has given us the fallacy of Scientific Naturalism and Empiricism as the means of purportedly knowing the reason for all things via the physical senses of man.

Unlike many other detractors, I've read the first 12 "papers" and skimmed much of the rest of the UB (it isn't worth the time and effort to copiously read and study).

It's fecal material. Period. But in a world of false Empiricism, it can seem real to a minority of naive simpletons.

 

[jeremysdemo]

It was the ancient lie of the spirit of antichrist that has always gradually deluded men and has given us the fallacy of Scientific Naturalism and Empiricism as the means of purportedly knowing the reason for all things via the physical senses of man.

Unlike many other detractors, I've read the first 12 "papers" and skimmed much of the rest of the UB (it isn't worth the time and effort to copiously read and study).

It's fecal material. Period. But in a world of false Empiricism, it can seem real to a minority of naive simpletons.

So that was one heck of a good guess then those guys must have been smarter the Steven Hawkins, with no computers to aid them no less,

must have been why Paul said this:

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

So that was one heck of a good guess then those guys must have been smarter the Steven Hawkins, with no computers to aid them no less,

Ummm.... no. All of it is ancient Babylonian Mysticism adapted for retrospective revisionism. Kabbalah, including Tikkun and all the rest. But all syncretized in Hermeticistic and Theosophistic fashion.

Nothing new under the sun. It's just Dualism and layers upon layers of Esotericism in a format to culturally engineer cognition.

must have been why Paul said this:

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You have absolutely no idea what Paul said here. Exegete that in Greek in copious detail, and we'll talk. You have nothing.

And you don't get to pick and choose proof-texting from scripture. Along with this, you'd need to thoroughly address Hamartiology ("Sin"-ology), and many other things.

You're done here.

 

[Zeke]

It's ironic that you present your opinion to address what you consider to be my opinion. It's another of the many script-flip inequities by you and your peers in this thread.

Denouncing book/s while adhering to book/s. And the bolded is the same. You claim some spiritual connection to whatever God but it's all assumption and presumption bluster and boast.

There's no difference in what you practice and what you accuse of others. That's self-refuting and inane beyond virtually anything else.




(bolded) Yet another instance of applying one's own perception without basic and true understanding.

The Greek for "greater" (things") means "elder" or "mature". It means we are to do the mature works of an elder inner ontology in Christ that eclipsed the outer demonstrations of Christ that also continued in the childish things of the gifts.

It's all about knowing the difference between rhema and logos, and between soul and spirit. Not one of you Esotericists will ever know those distinctions, but still thinking yourself to know.

It's... maddeningly sad a pathetic to those of us who DO know. And I'm certainly not talking about mainstream Christianity, since this also applies to them as it does you and your peers.

Well I have no peers, and I don't read the scripture as historic fact, and distrust most the historical records about a lot of past historical claims, (including your special brand of theological KNOWING cult) the allegories presented in them teach far more spiritually than any literal theology based spiritualism that debases the liberty of the spirit! and makes man a worthless sinner that needs a human sacrifice to be saved "BS". It's all about knowing thy self and dealing with that temple and being at peace there, and your way isn't mine get over it.

No converts notches on the KNOWING gun must be frustrating.

I don't think you mean to be a parasitical demeaning vampire who feeds on this kind of energy but you are.