Freelight you should join us in some of the FB UB pages, they would dig your writing style and astute insights.
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Freelight you should join us in some of the FB UB pages, they would dig your writing style and astute insights.
Personality survival after death
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-112-personality-survival?term=survival#search-jump-result-0
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
melody, art, mathematics........
melody, art, mathematics........
Thanks Caino,.....I'm a member of at least one group on there, but dont visit the page that often. Its all a creative venture for me, so that anything shared here is a springboard for readers to tap into the 'collective' as it were, the general pool of knowledge that interfaces this revelation, so I often draw from a 'metric-flow' or 'rhythmic pattern' that weaves thru the papers as there is an interesting 'symmetry' found therein. There is a 'mathematical' quality to some of its logic and philosophy. A few favorite quotes -
At age 8, we have this interesting observation about Jesus -
pj
melody, art, mathematics........
Thanks Caino,.....I'm a member of at least one group on there, but dont visit the page that often. Its all a creative venture for me, so that anything shared here is a springboard for readers to tap into the 'collective' as it were, the general pool of knowledge that interfaces this revelation, so I often draw from a 'metric-flow' or 'rhythmic pattern' that weaves thru the papers as there is an interesting 'symmetry' found therein. There is a 'mathematical' quality to some of its logic and philosophy. A few favorite quotes -
At age 8, we have this interesting observation about Jesus -
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Jesus the supreme example of self-mastery........
Jesus the supreme example of self-mastery........
Audio version of this section - here
Above is a clear presentation of how one achieves 'self-mastery', which alone is the way towards 'overcoming' the lower nature whereby one ever abides in the renewal and regenerating power of the Spirit. Since Jesus is our Exemplar, he calls all to walk the same path of self-surrender, self-transcendence and self-mastery. Beyond the many formulas or theologies of redemption or 'salvation' espoused by men, ultimately it is mastery of the 'self' and spiritual transformation of one's being that avails, whereby one becomes one with 'God', in 'spirit' and 'will'.
pj
Jesus the supreme example of self-mastery........
Audio version of this section - here
Above is a clear presentation of how one achieves 'self-mastery', which alone is the way towards 'overcoming' the lower nature whereby one ever abides in the renewal and regenerating power of the Spirit. Since Jesus is our Exemplar, he calls all to walk the same path of self-surrender, self-transcendence and self-mastery. Beyond the many formulas or theologies of redemption or 'salvation' espoused by men, ultimately it is mastery of the 'self' and spiritual transformation of one's being that avails, whereby one becomes one with 'God', in 'spirit' and 'will'.
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
What part of Jesus address above did you disagree with? Jesus moral, ethical and spiritual teachings recorded in the UB resonate with the essential message found in the gospels yet enhanced/expanded with information provided by the revelators.
pj
PneumaPsucheSoma
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They're all blinded by their own soulical arrogance of presuming to ascend and evolve to spirit, etc.
Typical depravity of man with the convolutions of antichrist esotericism to parallel the true faith.
If it weren't so pervasive and sad, it would be hilarious. It's like a bad low-budget B-movie. Dianetics 2, or whatever. Only this time, by alien revelators themselves.
And the agenda is to undermine and destroy the true Christian faith by any and all means. But the proponents don't even know the extent of both their soulical and spiritual pathology.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
open to learning.......
open to learning.......
You'll need to specify which parts are 'fiction' (specifically the last 2 or 3 posts before your 'balderdash' comment). Jesus dissertation on 'self-mastery' stands, as well as his teaching on the kingdom as expounded in the papers. A blanket 'charge' of 'presumption' and 'ignorance' of the material on your part doesn't hold.
There is just as much 'fiction', 'myth', 'allegory', 'symbolism' in the Bible and other religious writings, albiet in different terms...since such was written by human scribes, mediums, prophets who are subject to the limitations of language, culture-context and their own imperfections. (plus further 'doctoring' of texts in some cases).
The content, principles, meanings and values speak for themselves, as in any religious-philosophical discourse. The continual demonizing is a unnecessary gesture to one who can value and appreciate truth or allegory in whatever form or venue its communicated thru.
Truth is 'universal', however we may differentiate between 'absolute' and 'relative' truth, since only what is absolute can know what is absolute, while the translation-filter of the human mind distorts and conditions truth-perception and is limited by constitution and capacity-modifiers (hence from our perception conditioned by space-time, our concept of truth is 'relative' by default of such conditioning-factors).
The Nature of God (Paper 2)
~*~*~
Summarizing Jesus teaching -
pj
open to learning.......
You'll need to specify which parts are 'fiction' (specifically the last 2 or 3 posts before your 'balderdash' comment). Jesus dissertation on 'self-mastery' stands, as well as his teaching on the kingdom as expounded in the papers. A blanket 'charge' of 'presumption' and 'ignorance' of the material on your part doesn't hold.
There is just as much 'fiction', 'myth', 'allegory', 'symbolism' in the Bible and other religious writings, albiet in different terms...since such was written by human scribes, mediums, prophets who are subject to the limitations of language, culture-context and their own imperfections. (plus further 'doctoring' of texts in some cases).
The content, principles, meanings and values speak for themselves, as in any religious-philosophical discourse. The continual demonizing is a unnecessary gesture to one who can value and appreciate truth or allegory in whatever form or venue its communicated thru.
Truth is 'universal', however we may differentiate between 'absolute' and 'relative' truth, since only what is absolute can know what is absolute, while the translation-filter of the human mind distorts and conditions truth-perception and is limited by constitution and capacity-modifiers (hence from our perception conditioned by space-time, our concept of truth is 'relative' by default of such conditioning-factors).
The Nature of God (Paper 2)
~*~*~
Summarizing Jesus teaching -
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
consideration
consideration
The UB is a collection of papers(chapters), like the Bible, Upanishads, sutras, etc. are a collection of various books used by a particular religious community or tradition. The UB, in various parts or as a whole can be accepted, rejected or used in whatever ways as it relates to life and the subjects of science, philosophy and religion which it expounds upon.
The UB serves as a wonderful springboard to engage 'creative dialogue' on the subjects it covers. Thats what I use this thread for,....'inter-action', 'expanding consciousness', 'interesting discussion', 'new discovery'. Its not a matter of 'swallowing', but 'considering'.
The differences between the UB and Traditional Christian Beliefs is well explained here.
pj
consideration
The UB is a collection of papers(chapters), like the Bible, Upanishads, sutras, etc. are a collection of various books used by a particular religious community or tradition. The UB, in various parts or as a whole can be accepted, rejected or used in whatever ways as it relates to life and the subjects of science, philosophy and religion which it expounds upon.
The UB serves as a wonderful springboard to engage 'creative dialogue' on the subjects it covers. Thats what I use this thread for,....'inter-action', 'expanding consciousness', 'interesting discussion', 'new discovery'. Its not a matter of 'swallowing', but 'considering'.
The differences between the UB and Traditional Christian Beliefs is well explained here.
pj
Aimiel
Well-known member
I did. All of it.
You mis-spelled his name: it's J-e-B-u-s... your false god depicted by the UB is NOT The Christ.
Actually it does.
Galatians 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Dead wrong...
2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Actually, I would be doing you a severe disservice were I to not make you aware of the Truth; not to mention the trouble I would get into when I get home...
Ezekiel 33:7-9
So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Well... I DO know that The Holy Bible is ABSOLUTE Truth and the UB is ABSOLUTE fiction. :duh:
Aimiel
Well-known member
:banned: I pick: REJECTED!!!
It is too contrary to Scripture in many dangerous ways which need to be avoided completely. The worst of which, IMHO, is making The Blood of Christ worthless.
Considering fiction as if it is Gospel from Heaven is sheer foolishness. :dunce:
No, the differences are the same as night vs. day or white vs. black. :duh:
Paper 195
(2069.1) 195:0.1 THE results of Peter’s preaching on the day of Pentecost were such as to decide the future policies, and to determine the plans, of the majority of the apostles in their efforts to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom. Peter was the real founder of the Christian church; Paul carried the Christian message to the gentiles, and the Greek believers carried it to the whole Roman Empire.
(2069.2) 195:0.2 Although the tradition-bound and priest-ridden Hebrews, as a people, refused to accept either Jesus’ gospel of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man or Peter’s and Paul’s proclamation of the resurrection and ascension of Christ (subsequent Christianity), the rest of the Roman Empire was found to be receptive to the evolving Christian teachings. Western civilization was at this time intellectual, war weary, and thoroughly skeptical of all existing religions and universe philosophies. The peoples of the Western world, the beneficiaries of Greek culture, had a revered tradition of a great past. They could contemplate the inheritance of great accomplishments in philosophy, art, literature, and political progress. But with all these achievements they had no soul-satisfying religion. Their spiritual longings remained unsatisfied.
(2069.3) 195:0.3 Upon such a stage of human society the teachings of Jesus, embraced in the Christian message, were suddenly thrust. A new order of living was thus presented to the hungry hearts of these Western peoples. This situation meant immediate conflict between the older religious practices and the new Christianized version of Jesus’ message to the world. Such a conflict must result in either decided victory for the new or for the old or in some degree of compromise. History shows that the struggle ended in compromise. Christianity presumed to embrace too much for any one people to assimilate in one or two generations. It was not a simple spiritual appeal, such as Jesus had presented to the souls of men; it early struck a decided attitude on religious rituals, education, magic, medicine, art, literature, law, government, morals, sex regulation, polygamy, and, in limited degree, even slavery. Christianity came not merely as a new religion — something all the Roman Empire and all the Orient were waiting for — but as a new order of human society. And as such a pretension it quickly precipitated the social-moral clash of the ages. The ideals of Jesus, as they were reinterpreted by Greek philosophy and socialized in Christianity, now boldly challenged the traditions of the human race embodied in the ethics, morality, and religions of Western civilization.
(2069.4) 195:0.4 At first, Christianity won as converts only the lower social and economic strata. But by the beginning of the second century the very best of Greco-Roman culture was increasingly turning to this new order of Christian belief, this new concept of the purpose of living and the goal of existence.
(2070.1) 195:0.5 How did this new message of Jewish origin, which had almost failed in the land of its birth, so quickly and effectively capture the very best minds of the Roman Empire? The triumph of Christianity over the philosophic religions and the mystery cults was due to:
(2070.2) 195:0.6 1. Organization. Paul was a great organizer and his successors kept up the pace he set.
(2070.3) 195:0.7 2. Christianity was thoroughly Hellenized. It embraced the best in Greek philosophy as well as the cream of Hebrew theology.
(2070.4) 195:0.8 3. But best of all, it contained a new and great ideal, the echo of the life bestowal of Jesus and the reflection of his message of salvation for all mankind.
(2070.5) 195:0.9 4. The Christian leaders were willing to make such compromises with Mithraism that the better half of its adherents were won over to the Antioch cult.
(2070.6) 195:0.10 5. Likewise did the next and later generations of Christian leaders make such further compromises with paganism that even the Roman emperor Constantine was won to the new religion.
(2070.7) 195:0.11 But the Christians made a shrewd bargain with the pagans in that they adopted the ritualistic pageantry of the pagan while compelling the pagan to accept the Hellenized version of Pauline Christianity. They made a better bargain with the pagans than they did with the Mithraic cult, but even in that earlier compromise they came off more than conquerors in that they succeeded in eliminating the gross immoralities and also numerous other reprehensible practices of the Persian mystery.
(2070.8) 195:0.12 Wisely or unwisely, these early leaders of Christianity deliberately compromised the ideals of Jesus in an effort to save and further many of his ideas. And they were eminently successful. But mistake not! these compromised ideals of the Master are still latent in his gospel, and they will eventually assert their full power upon the world.
(2070.9) 195:0.13 By this paganization of Christianity the old order won many minor victories of a ritualistic nature, but the Christians gained the ascendancy in that:
(2070.10) 195:0.14 1. A new and enormously higher note in human morals was struck.
(2070.11) 195:0.15 2. A new and greatly enlarged concept of God was given to the world.
(2070.12) 195:0.16 3. The hope of immortality became a part of the assurance of a recognized religion.
(2070.13) 195:0.17 4. Jesus of Nazareth was given to man’s hungry soul.
(2070.14) 195:0.18 Many of the great truths taught by Jesus were almost lost in these early compromises, but they yet slumber in this religion of paganized Christianity, which was in turn the Pauline version of the life and teachings of the Son of Man. And Christianity, even before it was paganized, was first thoroughly Hellenized. Christianity owes much, very much, to the Greeks. It was a Greek, from Egypt, who so bravely stood up at Nicaea and so fearlessly challenged this assembly that it dared not so obscure the concept of the nature of Jesus that the real truth of his bestowal might have been in danger of being lost to the world. This Greek’s name was Athanasius, and but for the eloquence and the logic of this believer, the persuasions of Arius would have triumphed.
(2069.1) 195:0.1 THE results of Peter’s preaching on the day of Pentecost were such as to decide the future policies, and to determine the plans, of the majority of the apostles in their efforts to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom. Peter was the real founder of the Christian church; Paul carried the Christian message to the gentiles, and the Greek believers carried it to the whole Roman Empire.
(2069.2) 195:0.2 Although the tradition-bound and priest-ridden Hebrews, as a people, refused to accept either Jesus’ gospel of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man or Peter’s and Paul’s proclamation of the resurrection and ascension of Christ (subsequent Christianity), the rest of the Roman Empire was found to be receptive to the evolving Christian teachings. Western civilization was at this time intellectual, war weary, and thoroughly skeptical of all existing religions and universe philosophies. The peoples of the Western world, the beneficiaries of Greek culture, had a revered tradition of a great past. They could contemplate the inheritance of great accomplishments in philosophy, art, literature, and political progress. But with all these achievements they had no soul-satisfying religion. Their spiritual longings remained unsatisfied.
(2069.3) 195:0.3 Upon such a stage of human society the teachings of Jesus, embraced in the Christian message, were suddenly thrust. A new order of living was thus presented to the hungry hearts of these Western peoples. This situation meant immediate conflict between the older religious practices and the new Christianized version of Jesus’ message to the world. Such a conflict must result in either decided victory for the new or for the old or in some degree of compromise. History shows that the struggle ended in compromise. Christianity presumed to embrace too much for any one people to assimilate in one or two generations. It was not a simple spiritual appeal, such as Jesus had presented to the souls of men; it early struck a decided attitude on religious rituals, education, magic, medicine, art, literature, law, government, morals, sex regulation, polygamy, and, in limited degree, even slavery. Christianity came not merely as a new religion — something all the Roman Empire and all the Orient were waiting for — but as a new order of human society. And as such a pretension it quickly precipitated the social-moral clash of the ages. The ideals of Jesus, as they were reinterpreted by Greek philosophy and socialized in Christianity, now boldly challenged the traditions of the human race embodied in the ethics, morality, and religions of Western civilization.
(2069.4) 195:0.4 At first, Christianity won as converts only the lower social and economic strata. But by the beginning of the second century the very best of Greco-Roman culture was increasingly turning to this new order of Christian belief, this new concept of the purpose of living and the goal of existence.
(2070.1) 195:0.5 How did this new message of Jewish origin, which had almost failed in the land of its birth, so quickly and effectively capture the very best minds of the Roman Empire? The triumph of Christianity over the philosophic religions and the mystery cults was due to:
(2070.2) 195:0.6 1. Organization. Paul was a great organizer and his successors kept up the pace he set.
(2070.3) 195:0.7 2. Christianity was thoroughly Hellenized. It embraced the best in Greek philosophy as well as the cream of Hebrew theology.
(2070.4) 195:0.8 3. But best of all, it contained a new and great ideal, the echo of the life bestowal of Jesus and the reflection of his message of salvation for all mankind.
(2070.5) 195:0.9 4. The Christian leaders were willing to make such compromises with Mithraism that the better half of its adherents were won over to the Antioch cult.
(2070.6) 195:0.10 5. Likewise did the next and later generations of Christian leaders make such further compromises with paganism that even the Roman emperor Constantine was won to the new religion.
(2070.7) 195:0.11 But the Christians made a shrewd bargain with the pagans in that they adopted the ritualistic pageantry of the pagan while compelling the pagan to accept the Hellenized version of Pauline Christianity. They made a better bargain with the pagans than they did with the Mithraic cult, but even in that earlier compromise they came off more than conquerors in that they succeeded in eliminating the gross immoralities and also numerous other reprehensible practices of the Persian mystery.
(2070.8) 195:0.12 Wisely or unwisely, these early leaders of Christianity deliberately compromised the ideals of Jesus in an effort to save and further many of his ideas. And they were eminently successful. But mistake not! these compromised ideals of the Master are still latent in his gospel, and they will eventually assert their full power upon the world.
(2070.9) 195:0.13 By this paganization of Christianity the old order won many minor victories of a ritualistic nature, but the Christians gained the ascendancy in that:
(2070.10) 195:0.14 1. A new and enormously higher note in human morals was struck.
(2070.11) 195:0.15 2. A new and greatly enlarged concept of God was given to the world.
(2070.12) 195:0.16 3. The hope of immortality became a part of the assurance of a recognized religion.
(2070.13) 195:0.17 4. Jesus of Nazareth was given to man’s hungry soul.
(2070.14) 195:0.18 Many of the great truths taught by Jesus were almost lost in these early compromises, but they yet slumber in this religion of paganized Christianity, which was in turn the Pauline version of the life and teachings of the Son of Man. And Christianity, even before it was paganized, was first thoroughly Hellenized. Christianity owes much, very much, to the Greeks. It was a Greek, from Egypt, who so bravely stood up at Nicaea and so fearlessly challenged this assembly that it dared not so obscure the concept of the nature of Jesus that the real truth of his bestowal might have been in danger of being lost to the world. This Greek’s name was Athanasius, and but for the eloquence and the logic of this believer, the persuasions of Arius would have triumphed.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Square 1
Square 1
You fail to prove that, let alone any specific points apart from a blanket statement continually reflecting your own presumptions and ignorance of the papers themselves. Without a proper knowledge of the papers (fundamental to the discussion/subject here) or an intuitive sense that "truth is universal" and is not limited to any one person, culture or religious tradition...a constructive dialogue cannot be had. This has been stated here over and over.
The burden of proof is on you to prove your statement, beyond "because I say so". The teachings of Jesus in Part 4 of the UB stand on their own merit, wisdom or authority, confirming the gospel-accounts and adding more light where needed.
This pious statement by Paul does not disprove the UB. What it does show is Paul's exaltation and boasting in his own gospel-message(and accummalative revelations) as things got heated between he and Peter and the original apostles of Jesus at Jerusalem, since his message morphed into its own 'entity' as it were putting a bigger wedge between the original assembly in Jerusalem led by James the Just (the Lord's brother) and his own agenda.
One could equally say that this 'curse' by Paul could apply to Jesus, since Jesus message and revelation from his Father is distinctly different than Paul's gospel on multiple levels, although commonalities on themes of the kingdom, ethical/moral principles, etc. would naturally be shared.
Research on Paul
My former statement holds. 2 Peter is a pseudograpical work for starters, and is equally weak in its use to support Paul's writing as 'scripture'.
Revelation is 'progressive', ever unfolding as man's capacity and need for it arises, the heavens granting such in various dispensations of time.
My former statement holds. The above attribution is the height of egoity and self-righteousness, since it assumes I'm wicked or sinful. The principle of warning one who is in harms way is appropriate, but one can be wrong as his perceptions and assumptions can be misguided or mal-informed.
You assume such, but cannot prove the Bible is 'absolute truth', anymore than you can prove the UB is absolute fiction, which is an absurdity since the Bible contains a rather diverse share of mythology, cultural-belief inflections, allegories, literary devices, tribal concoctions, interpolations, creative editing, etc.
Using the word 'absolute' here is also ridiculous in terms of human knowledge, since the 'statement' itself is 'relative' at best, assuming a contrast, when both could be treated as 'religious fiction' beyond what could be proved otherwise.
We touched on earlier that only that which is 'absolute' is 'absolute', while all 'else' is 'relative', since it exists in a relationally complex, diverse and inter-associated way within the continuum of creation in a world of multiplicity. The UB deals quite extensively on these inter-associated cosmic processes and mechanisms. See (Abridged version of the papers) - Paper 118: Supreme and Ultimate--Time and Space
pj
Square 1
You fail to prove that, let alone any specific points apart from a blanket statement continually reflecting your own presumptions and ignorance of the papers themselves. Without a proper knowledge of the papers (fundamental to the discussion/subject here) or an intuitive sense that "truth is universal" and is not limited to any one person, culture or religious tradition...a constructive dialogue cannot be had. This has been stated here over and over.
The burden of proof is on you to prove your statement, beyond "because I say so". The teachings of Jesus in Part 4 of the UB stand on their own merit, wisdom or authority, confirming the gospel-accounts and adding more light where needed.
This pious statement by Paul does not disprove the UB. What it does show is Paul's exaltation and boasting in his own gospel-message(and accummalative revelations) as things got heated between he and Peter and the original apostles of Jesus at Jerusalem, since his message morphed into its own 'entity' as it were putting a bigger wedge between the original assembly in Jerusalem led by James the Just (the Lord's brother) and his own agenda.
One could equally say that this 'curse' by Paul could apply to Jesus, since Jesus message and revelation from his Father is distinctly different than Paul's gospel on multiple levels, although commonalities on themes of the kingdom, ethical/moral principles, etc. would naturally be shared.
Research on Paul
My former statement holds. 2 Peter is a pseudograpical work for starters, and is equally weak in its use to support Paul's writing as 'scripture'.
Revelation is 'progressive', ever unfolding as man's capacity and need for it arises, the heavens granting such in various dispensations of time.
My former statement holds. The above attribution is the height of egoity and self-righteousness, since it assumes I'm wicked or sinful. The principle of warning one who is in harms way is appropriate, but one can be wrong as his perceptions and assumptions can be misguided or mal-informed.
You assume such, but cannot prove the Bible is 'absolute truth', anymore than you can prove the UB is absolute fiction, which is an absurdity since the Bible contains a rather diverse share of mythology, cultural-belief inflections, allegories, literary devices, tribal concoctions, interpolations, creative editing, etc.
Using the word 'absolute' here is also ridiculous in terms of human knowledge, since the 'statement' itself is 'relative' at best, assuming a contrast, when both could be treated as 'religious fiction' beyond what could be proved otherwise.
We touched on earlier that only that which is 'absolute' is 'absolute', while all 'else' is 'relative', since it exists in a relationally complex, diverse and inter-associated way within the continuum of creation in a world of multiplicity. The UB deals quite extensively on these inter-associated cosmic processes and mechanisms. See (Abridged version of the papers) - Paper 118: Supreme and Ultimate--Time and Space
pj
Aimiel
Well-known member
I don't have to... the UB speaks for itself as soon as it purports to be from God and then directly violates His Holy Word.
Yeah, about that... God doesn't need 'help' writing His Word. He said what He said because it was what He wanted to say. Now, two thousand years later, He changed His mind and wants to say something different? No. He isn't like that.
It is exactly because of the fact that you hold The Bible to be 'myth' that such nonsense as the UB can fool you. Scripture is from God. UB is from hell. You need to buy a clue.
2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
These writings were not concoctions, inflections, allegories or edited. They were inspired by The Holy Ghost (someone you have yet to meet).
The proof is in the pudding. The Holy Bible proves Itself when we come into a dynamic and verifiable relationship with The Father.
Freelight,
The priesthood has always controlled the ignorant and uneducated masses by using the fear based teaching that God wrote the Bible. Its a kind of mental illness, you can't really reason with them, they are forbidden from using common sense. If Jesus appeared today like he did so naturally 2,000 years ago, these same indoctrinated people would try to kill him based on his liberalism and variance from the man made scripture. This is why Jesus warned people not to waste time by casting pearls of great truth before swine.
The priesthood has always controlled the ignorant and uneducated masses by using the fear based teaching that God wrote the Bible. Its a kind of mental illness, you can't really reason with them, they are forbidden from using common sense. If Jesus appeared today like he did so naturally 2,000 years ago, these same indoctrinated people would try to kill him based on his liberalism and variance from the man made scripture. This is why Jesus warned people not to waste time by casting pearls of great truth before swine.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Infinite Love calling........
Infinite Love calling........
Hi Caino,
I agree.
I find myself being 'charitable' to continue 'dialogue' for the sake of the general readership, even though discussion with such a close-minded individual as repeated here seems fruitless. I continue to add to the space here insights and resources to those interested anyways, since the UB is a wonderful work, whether one regards it as 'religious fiction' or a valid dispensation of truth to humanity for this current age. What is saddening is the ignorance of the papers themselves and the preconceived judgment of such from a 'frozen' position that the Bible is all 'God' ever revealed (or will reveal) or is the sole source of reality which is rather 'myopic'.
The peculiar fact of the UB's existence and what it presents stirs the traditional waters on many fronts, - at least a conservative christian could consider it on philosophical grounds alone, in its contribution on religious principles and values, which is fundamental to the core-message. Without a person reading and considering at least the first 12 papers as recommended here previously....they wont have much of an understanding of the foundation, cosmology, context or framework of the revelation. If anything, the rich strata and profound insights of the revelations content could provide any intelligent religionist with endless material in which to embark stimulating dialogues. It doesnt hurt to consider new ideas in which the mind could be expanded, exploring a greater vision of the universe and life's purpose.
Also, my treatment of the papers are exploratory, philosophical and more of an innovative endeavor than anything, since I'm 'eclectic' in my approach, being more of a theosophist at heart,...so that 'truth' in any venue or religious tradition is accepted and included in the total cosmic picture of reality since the original Light is reflected thru an infinity of forms and a canopy of different languages.
There is nothing to fear as one goes forward in the discovery of truth, looking to the inner essence and principle of the spirit.
pj
Infinite Love calling........
Hi Caino,
I agree.
I find myself being 'charitable' to continue 'dialogue' for the sake of the general readership, even though discussion with such a close-minded individual as repeated here seems fruitless. I continue to add to the space here insights and resources to those interested anyways, since the UB is a wonderful work, whether one regards it as 'religious fiction' or a valid dispensation of truth to humanity for this current age. What is saddening is the ignorance of the papers themselves and the preconceived judgment of such from a 'frozen' position that the Bible is all 'God' ever revealed (or will reveal) or is the sole source of reality which is rather 'myopic'.
The peculiar fact of the UB's existence and what it presents stirs the traditional waters on many fronts, - at least a conservative christian could consider it on philosophical grounds alone, in its contribution on religious principles and values, which is fundamental to the core-message. Without a person reading and considering at least the first 12 papers as recommended here previously....they wont have much of an understanding of the foundation, cosmology, context or framework of the revelation. If anything, the rich strata and profound insights of the revelations content could provide any intelligent religionist with endless material in which to embark stimulating dialogues. It doesnt hurt to consider new ideas in which the mind could be expanded, exploring a greater vision of the universe and life's purpose.
Also, my treatment of the papers are exploratory, philosophical and more of an innovative endeavor than anything, since I'm 'eclectic' in my approach, being more of a theosophist at heart,...so that 'truth' in any venue or religious tradition is accepted and included in the total cosmic picture of reality since the original Light is reflected thru an infinity of forms and a canopy of different languages.
There is nothing to fear as one goes forward in the discovery of truth, looking to the inner essence and principle of the spirit.
pj
Aimiel
Well-known member
Yes, because the fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Without that fear, one tends to wander off the straight and narrow path that leads to life that SO VERY FEW seem to ever find.
Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
It just seems so sad to me that those who do NOT fear The Lord, and don't believe His Word was inspired stray from The Path so much that they follow false gods. Knowing God brings us into understanding. Not just understanding of Him but also ALL Truth.
No, we simply know better than to believe fiction is actual reality. If I'm not mistaken, those who confuse the two are often placed into jackets with really long sleeves that buckle in the back. :duh:
If he appeared today, He'd let His people know through His prophets, first.
Sorry, you're not allowed to use a quote from a book that you don't place any faith in to stab someone in the back.
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