The Incarnation of the WORD
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Prizebeatz1
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That's one way to see it. Sure it has history in it but I don't agree that it's a book about human history. I think it points to something much much bigger and the fact that we are one with that something that is much much bigger.
Apple7
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My point?
Don't play stupid.
It directly answers your question of ..."In the beginning....." What beginning does this refer to?"
That's only true in the physical realm, which is a manifestation of the Spirit's power. God needed physical reproduction to provide candidates for spiritual reproduction based on Christ's character.
And so it is.
Prizebeatz1
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Okay so do we agree this is referring to the beginning of the heavens and the earth? is this not encouraging the belief that we are separate from God?
Apple7
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Scripture clearly refers to the physical Universe, in Gen 1.1
What does the rest of Gen 1 tell us?
Prizebeatz1
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Of course the personality is going to try to rationalize this away because it is the father of lies. Maybe its hiding from being exposed to the fact that it thinks it has separated from God. Now it has to try to find ways to compensate for a hole where it's soul should be. It feels it is missing the feeling of its infinite self-worth and it reaches out to try to find it somewhere outside when it's been within itself the whole time. God gave us the soul for a reason. Look within my child. "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
Prizebeatz1
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How do we reconcile this with God's omnipresence? Is God not everywhere? Can we place a limit on what is limitless? Can we place restrictions on what is infinite and eternal? If so, then perhaps we don't have God. Perhaps we have something else. I've heard somewhere before that the definition of the word devil connotes the act of devaluing. Maybe the personality wants to devalue God because that is the same way it treats itself on an unconscious level. Is it possible we are unconsciously projecting this desire to devalue onto the outside world? What is fueling this unconscious projection? Is there self-hatred in our hearts that we don't know how to deal with? Can we own the fact that we feel shame and guilt from the mistake of thinking we have separated? Do we notice the tendency to avoid these feelings? Do we recognize that the more we avoid them the worse they get? Have we judged ourselves unworthy because we have bitten from the forbidden fruit? Do we think we can make our way back to God through blood sacrifice or through making up our own god out of a man and worshipping him instead? Do we think God is going to punish us when we do finally get back to him? What is the story of the prodigal son trying to say to us? If we knew that we are one with God because of the soul and we could actually feel our self-worth and actually feel good enough about ourselves without having to lift a finger, could we see that the scriptures are even more true than we originally thought?
Apple7
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Prizebeatz1
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Scripture doesn't answer half of these questions. Where are you going to turn now? There goes your personality running and hiding again. That doesn't fool anybody. Now you are hiding behind a blade of grass thinking no one can see you. This is the behavior of Adam and Eve after they had eaten from the forbidden fruit. "Who told you that you were naked? (Genesis 3:11)"
Apple7
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And...?
oatmeal
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If the Word was God and Jesus us God then could you tell me who or what "the word was with God" means?
If indeed, Jesus is God then "the word was with God" could read "the word was with God/Jesus"
Who or what is the word that was with God/Jesus?
For that matter where does scripture make it so obvious that
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John 1:14?
That does not say that God was made flesh, it says the word was made flesh.
That goes back to my original question, who or what is the word that was with God/Jesus from John 1:1?
Prizebeatz1
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And your whole position has very obviously been exposed as a fake. Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say anymore?
Apple7
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In order to understand the NT, you must study the OT.
All throughout the OT, The Word of Yahweh (i.e. The Word of God) visited the prophets.....this was the pre-incarnate Word, Jesus Christ.
Apple7
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What in the world are you talking about now...?:kookoo:
The way I see it is that there always has been a trinity.
"Let US make man in our image, after our likeness" Genesis 1:26.
God appeared in a human form many times in the Old Testament.
I believe that God appeared to Adam in a physical human form.
"There are three that bear record in heaven, The Father, the word and the Holy Spirit" 1 John 5:7.
The "Word" is the second person of the Godhead that became flesh and dwelt among us (Jesus) John 1:14.
Genesis 1:1 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Colossians 1:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
The Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Colossians 1:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Colossians 1:14-19, I believe to be Jesus. What do you say?
You bet, No one else.
Zeke
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Immortal Seed /Spirit John 12:24 Genesis 3:20 Eve/Breath Galatians 4:26, that ground is Adam/red earth 1Cor 15:45.