the futurists

fzappa13

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Yes, fzappa, many Christians are taught that the Bible is a rather accessible, direct, today's market communication, without anything historical to consider.

Take a phrase like '...and the truth will set you free.' While it can be true in many circumstances, he was talking to and about Judaism, to start with.

This idea that there is absolutely direct and unqualified communication in the Bible, without any homework, is worst when it comes to eschatology and the Rev. As you know, there are millions of attempts by many people with a background in fast-food service or oil-changing to dive into the thing 2000 years, 8000 miles and 1 religion away from its original audience. Do we do this with anything else out there with similar features--like Tacitus' Histories? And there are a million books out there claiming to have the "key" to the Rev (but none of them seem to know they are the millionth attempt).

I'm perfectly aware that the same thing/book can be summarized as a love letter from God, and it is, but let's not be too quick to use catchy, juicy phrases, like 'I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me' unless they are things Christ really wants done.

Well, we all get one life to show God and everybody just how it ought to be done. Whether it's changing oil or understanding what we've read in the Bible. I'm sure you are every bit as satisfied with the results of your efforts as I am with mine. Now, the Question is ... which, if either of us, is going to meet with Christ's approval.
 

chrysostom

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Well, we all get one life to show God and everybody just how it ought to be done. Whether it's changing oil or understanding what we've read in the Bible. I'm sure you are every bit as satisfied with the results of your efforts as I am with mine. Now, the Question is ... which, if either of us, is going to meet with Christ's approval.

this is why Jesus gave us His church
 

fzappa13

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what does that mean?

That means those whom the lamb will choose for His bride are scattered and He will gather them upon His return. Contrary to popular opinion they are not the congregation of the First Baptist Church of Toledo, The San Antonio Dioceses, nor any of the other groupings man has chosen.

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.


Isa 60:8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
 

fzappa13

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... and please notice, PPS, verse 16. This is yet another indicator of those ordinances no longer applicable and those that are at that time ... from a prophetic standpoint.
 

chrysostom

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When you plow the field, why do you look back?
You might turn into a pillar of salt.

"they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
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you guys sure know how to wrest
 

Zeke

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Is that an observable future kingdom where nothing is new under the sun, or the none observable eternal kingdom that is veiled from flesh and blood?
 

Right Divider

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You're the observational dogma specialist, majoring in secular spiritualism with a Babylonian ID that allows you to buy and sell, Another pretender who can't grasp Luke 17:20-21..
Hahahahaha .... I always feel so ashamed when Zeke the mystic guru burns me.... NOT!!! :wave2:
 
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