popsthebuilder
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Angels have free will. 2/3 of which relinquished that will to utterly and wholly perform the will of God.
The existence of Satan makes no sense.
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That's for sure!
popsthebuilder
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Politically correct has nothing to do with anything that is actually correct.
We, like Adam and Eve, have potential for direction under God or not. Their potential was the same as its is.
popsthebuilder
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You make no sense. Satan is the embodiment of all negativity that man is capable of without direction under God.
popsthebuilder
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this is true by itself. There is no such thing as political and correct, politics is a practical profession. One may also say politics is power. Correct has nothing to do with politics.
Those who couple these terms have an immature attitude; they think what they are told to think. The real power comes from those who teach the thinking.
CherubRam
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"The Holy Mount" was the congregation that (Satan / the adversary) was on. Israel was anointed as guardian over the people and scriptures.
You really need to get a better grasp on parables.
Don't you know that there are no "dinosaur" bones, and they are just a parable?
Satan was not a scapegoat.
popsthebuilder
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I didn't say he was.
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how does someones existence make God unjust ?
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
no he was lucifer when he was created perfect
and was a guardian
Eze 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.
when lucifer tempted Eve he fell
first sin was not in heaven
I can quote it if I need to, but you related the Azalel to Satan.
In Lev. xvi. the single allusion to Azazel is as follows: On the tenth day of Tishri (see Atonement Day) the high priest, after first performing the prescribed sacrifices for himself and his family, presented the victims for the sins of the people. These were a ram for a burnt offering, and two young goats for a sin-offering. Having brought the goats before Yhwh at the door of the tabernacle, he cast lots for them, the one lot "for Yhwh" and the other "for Azazel." The goat that fell to Yhwh was slain as a sin-offering for the people. But the goat of Azazel (now usually known as the "scapegoat") was made the subject of a more striking ceremony. The high priest laid his hands upon its head and confessed over it the sins of the people. Then the victim was handed over to a man standing ready for the purpose, and, laden as it was with these imputed sins, it was "led forth to an isolated region," and then let go in the wilderness. (Jewish Encyclopedia/ Azazel)
The Azalel was released in an uninhabited place.
Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man.
The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
(Leviticus 16:21-22 NKJV)
The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
(Leviticus 16:21-22 NKJV)
The ultimate uninhabited place is the grave.
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popsthebuilder
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Quite telling and prophetic.
It's a symbolism for the sacrifice of sin. It shows many things. That sin isn't repented through the sacrifice of other life but the sacrifice of the sin. It goes further to show that the new testament is not that of sacrifice but of freedom from sin and the release there of by way of the living holy spirit.
Also lets remember that the goat is not the lamb, and not synonymous with our potential under God, but that of the flesh that we must relinquish to GOD and the will of GOD.
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All praise is to the One God through Christ.
ttruscott
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Because our world is not equal to heaven, only the garden is. Sin was not allowed to stay in heaven when it started but was booted to earth just like sin was not allowed to stay in the garden but was booted out to the earth.
Earth was 'built' as a prison for sin and that is why sinners were sent here. Neither heaven nor the garden were "built" for sin so sin, once discovered there, was put out.
False conclusion. Sin was there but Satan and all his demons were banished into the earth. The heaven that GOD and Satan met in was our sky, not the high heaven of HIS abode. No sin is found in heaven anymore, it has been eradicated there by the banishment of Satan to earth which is a precursor or type of all evil being banished from all of created reality to the outer darkness.
There is no possibility of sin in heaven again once every elect is holy and trained in righteousness.
We are told that the angels working in heaven are holy. The saints in heaven are holy because the word saint comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." No holy person can nor will ever sin because that is what holy means, dedicated to GOD's ways, especially of righteousness.
SATAN WAS NOT HOLY BEFORE HE SINNED, but as untested he was still innocent.
Well im having a problem at the moment of what comes from the devil and when is God testing you.
I mean your evil thoughts are maybe from sin but what about all evil apart from your thoughts,is it all from the devil??? which if it is leads to all kinds of problems.
So in quick,how do you discern what is from the evil one and what is from God?
I mean your evil thoughts are maybe from sin but what about all evil apart from your thoughts,is it all from the devil??? which if it is leads to all kinds of problems.
So in quick,how do you discern what is from the evil one and what is from God?
fcisd said:
I'll answer this in broad terms:
1. Heaven, broadly speaking, is the beatific vision; it is the "face to face" vision of God, the Supreme Good Itself, who, if only we were to be united with Him and were to "see" Him "face to face," would make us perfectly happy.
2. Satan never enjoyed this vision. It was certainly possible for him to do so, but when the angels were created and offered the gifts of grace, a third basically said "no." Two thirds of the angels responded with humility and love to God...the other third? With pride and self-will. It is, perhaps, a possibility that Satan and the angels said "no," at least in part, because of the "scandal" of the Incarnation. Thus they "fell" from God and merited unending punishment and exclusion from the sight of God.
3. From the above, it's evident why your question doesn't really make sense. "If Adam's fall made the world a worse place, then why didn't Satan's fall make Heaven a worse place?" Satan was never "there" to begin with.
popsthebuilder
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The goat is not synonymous with the white lamb.
And Azazel is synonymous with the personification of sin in some cultures.
It's a name.
When are you people going to realize that names do not denote anything but division. Sin is in every one of us. The selfless conscience under the direction of God( the creator of all existence as we know it) is in every one of us.
This makes them universal or singular. As in all.
Do you understand that?
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. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to themthe metals*〈of the earth〉*and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl,