The Devil The Deceiver

[glorydaz]

He didn't say anything other than that God can be recognized by everybody, even non-Catholics outside of Roman Catholicism, which is in fact the Church in the Bible. You don't have to be in the Church in the Bible, to recognize God, but the fullness of your faith is in Roman Catholicism, because it's the Church in the Bible.

Surely you jest. Once you get Rome out of your brain you will be free. I’m serious. I was there. I really hate to tell you this, but when you say, “the fullness of your faith is in Roman Catholicism” I shudder. If the fullness of your faith is not in the Lord Jesus Christ, you are lost. It grieves me the number of people who have been dragged into the pit by that false church. They allow you to read the Bible now? They have their own version of the Bible, too, don’t they? their baptism is water?

 

[Nick M]

Peter was in Scripture. He held the office. The office is the keys to the kingdom and the power to bind and loose.

The coming Jewish Kingdom. He will judge a tribe, my guess is Judah itself.

 

[Nick M]

He held the office.

He held an office, and there is two.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

 

[Bladerunner]

The coming Jewish Kingdom. He will judge a tribe, my guess is Judah itself.

Just "A" tribe....2/3 of the Jewish population is die leaving 1/3 which God is referring to as the Remnant of Israel prior to the start of the Millennium. I pretty sure all tribes will be judged.

 

[glorydaz]

Just "A" tribe....2/3 of the Jewish population is die leaving 1/3 which God is referring to as the Remnant of Israel prior to the start of the Millennium. I pretty sure all tribes will be judged.

Yes, and the remnant will finally look on Him who they pierced. What a glorious day that will be. We can look down from heaven. May even be with Him from what I recall.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes, and the remnant will finally look on Him who they pierced. What a glorious day that will be. We can look down from heaven. May even be with Him from what I recall.

Yes, the Saints of His Church (His Body, His betrothed Bride) will see Him as He is for we will be like Him. (1John 3:2)

 

[Nick M]

Just "A" tribe....2/3 of the Jewish population is die leaving 1/3 which God is referring to as the Remnant of Israel prior to the start of the Millennium

Two things. Broad is the pathway to destruction in circumcision. No doubt. The remnant is not part of it. Paul said they are being saved by grace. Likely in the Body, and not Abraham's bosom, called the grave.

 

[Nick M]

His Body, His betrothed Bride

That is two different things. He is marrying his body if not. Which would be weird.

 

[Bladerunner]

That is two different things. He is marrying his body if not. Which would be weird.

sorry, it is the narrative of the Bible with the OT giving the ancient marriage protocols. If you look Jesus followed all of these protocols up to date. What is missing is the period of time that the Groom comes after His Bride. You see it was also a mystery as to when the groom at that time would come to get her....It usually happened at night. The Marriage supper would be next which is given to us in Rev 19:7-9. You see, God's two plans one for Israel and one for the Church is what the Bible is all about...

 

[Nick M]

sorry, it is the narrative of the Bible with the OT giving the ancient marriage protocols.

It is a figure of speech, and the bride is Israel. I am not sure what you are even getting at.

 

[Bladerunner]

It is a figure of speech, and the bride is Israel. I am not sure what you are even getting at.

No, Israel is the wife of GOD (the Father) and the church Jesus started is the Betrothed Bride. The Bible makes this abundantly clear.

 

[glorydaz]

No, Israel is the wife of GOD (the Father) and the church Jesus started is the Betrothed Bride. The Bible makes this abundantly clear.

Uh oh, here we go. The question then becomes are the bride and the body the same. It doesn’t sound like they can be the same, but are they different terms for the same thing. Sure hope this doesn’t get too heated.

 

[Bladerunner]

Uh oh, here we go. The question then becomes are the bride and the body the same. It doesn’t sound like they can be the same, but are they different terms for the same thing. Sure hope this doesn’t get too heated.

Here we go again??? The Body of Christ and Bride of Christ are both idioms where Christ is the Head of the Church and the Saints souls that are in it are his body.....the Bride are the saints souls of the church. If one looks at the ancient Marriage protocol, one will find that Jesus has filled every part of that ritual with the exception of the Bema Seat Judgements and the Marriage supper. It is amazing that God has gone to such lengths to make believers out of us all...I do not think that I could believe in Jesus Christ has it not been for the OT (all of it). The prophecies that have come true just cannot be explained any other way except they are extraterrestrial in origin being outside of time itself.

 

[JudgeRightly]

No, Israel is the wife of GOD (the Father)

Sure.

and the church Jesus started is the Betrothed Bride.

Sure.

The Bible makes this abundantly clear.

Indeed.

The question then becomes, "Who is the Betrothed Bride?"

Here's a hint: It's not the Body of Christ.

Here we go again??? The Body of Christ and Bride of Christ are both idioms where Christ is the Head of the Church and the Saints souls that are in it are his body.....the Bride are the saints souls of the church.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

If one looks at the ancient Marriage protocol, one will find that Jesus has filled every part of that ritual with the exception of the Bema Seat Judgements and the Marriage supper. It is amazing that God has gone to such lengths to make believers out of us all...I do not think that I could believe in Jesus Christ has it not been for the OT (all of it). The prophecies that have come true just cannot be explained any other way except they are extraterrestrial in origin being outside of time itself.

None of this means that the Body of Christ and the bride of Christ are the same thing.

Christ is not going to marry His body.

God will marry Christ's body with His bride (figuratively speaking).

Christ is the head of His body, as Paul states.

He is the literal King of Israel. A nation is not a body.

The Bible makes a distinction between the nation of Israel as a singular political entity, and the Body of Christ as a living organism with many members.

 

[glorydaz]

Here we go again??? The Body of Christ and Bride of Christ are both idioms where Christ is the Head of the Church and the Saints souls that are in it are his body.....the Bride are the saints souls of the church. If one looks at the ancient Marriage protocol, one will find that Jesus has filled every part of that ritual with the exception of the Bema Seat Judgements and the Marriage supper. It is amazing that God has gone to such lengths to make believers out of us all...I do not think that I could believe in Jesus Christ has it not been for the OT (all of it). The prophecies that have come true just cannot be explained any other way except they are extraterrestrial in origin being outside of time itself.

There is some disagreement as to whether the body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ. I think I had a thread on this once, and I‘m not sure I was convinced one way or another. Simply saying Christ would not marry His body doesn’t really work for me, because there being no distinction between Jew and Greek or man and woman has been misunderstood‘also’ by many. It isn’t as simple as you or others might think.

 

[glorydaz]

@ Judge Rightly

You stated this…. God will marry Christ's body with His bride (figuratively speaking),

and I’m curious as to where you find that in the Bible.

 

[JudgeRightly]

@ Judge Rightly

Don't put a space if you're trying to tag someone.

You stated this…. God will marry Christ's body with His bride (figuratively speaking),

and I’m curious as to where you find that in the Bible.

Revelation 19:6-9

 

[glorydaz]

Don't put a space if you're trying to tag someone.

Sorry, I forgot.

Revelation 19:6-9

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. Are you talking about this verse, and the “his wife” is speaking of God?

Rev. 19: 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

 

[Bladerunner]

There is some disagreement as to whether the body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ. I think I had a thread on this once, and I‘m not sure I was convinced one way or another. Simply saying Christ would not marry His body doesn’t really work for me, because there being no distinction between Jew and Greek or man and woman has been misunderstood‘also’ by many. It isn’t as simple as you or others might think.

Christ is the Head of the church and metaphorically, the saints are the Body of the Church, His Church....same as the Bride, the saints will become His Bride. He paid for them, left to prepare a place for them and they do not know when He is coming back and we know the marriage supper is going to happen Rev 19. Within the Church, the saints, Jews and Gentiles are one.. This is not the same as the remnant of Israel who will live during the millennium. While God knows who they are they will not be until Rev 12. which is but a short time in our future.

thanks for the conversation Glorydaz

 

[Bladerunner]

There is some disagreement as to whether the body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ. I think I had a thread on this once, and I‘m not sure I was convinced one way or another. Simply saying Christ would not marry His body doesn’t really work for me, because there being no distinction between Jew and Greek or man and woman has been misunderstood‘also’ by many. It isn’t as simple as you or others might think.

There will be a distinction in men and women via the souls of the believers until we are glorified, given new transformed bodies like that of Jesus....It is not clear after then what we will be but we will see Jesus as He is for we will be like Him.