Bezemenov was right about you. You won't believe truth even when it's in front of your face. Your ideology is more important to you than truth.
The coronavirus scam
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Bezemenov was right about you. You won't believe truth even when it's in front of your face. Your ideology is more important to you than truth.
eider
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Yes.
It's all going to be as bad as a World War, and without an enemy to jointly hate.
Where I live there isn't anybody to lead us through this ...... not yet.
I think we're lost at this time, and it's going to get much worse before there's any light.
This my bright thought for this day!
Tomorrow I get even more grumpy still.
Very good song though. John Fogerty, am a fan. :up:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
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And keeping the economy open includes not ordering businesses to chose between staying in business or upholding a stupid law that requires everyone entering to wear a muzzle. What a horrible way to both conscript businesses to do the job of police and also insult their customers. Just leave it up to businesses and customers to work out their own protection.
ok doser
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Arthur Brain
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No, he wasn't and neither are you.
If the virus was localized to the business, perhaps this would make sense. Like letting businesses choose to be smoker-friendly or non-smoking- one can make a case for leaving it to the business and the customers. Cigarette smoke stays in the store. You can smoke in a restaurant at noon, and go to church at 1 pm, and nobody at church will be harmed by the fact that you chose to smoke an hour earlier.
Unfortunately, the virus doesn't work that way. It's not localized. You visit a mask-free business, then go home, to church, to work, to school- and could end up directly infecting several people, and indirectly many others.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
You want to build herd immunity as fast as possible? At what cost? Recall that if the hospitals are overloaded, the death rate will be higher.So...is herd immunity achieved within 12 months at a cost of 500,000 dead OK? A million? Two?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
You tell me. And tell me how many people died.
Point being?
I never said there aren't any China virus deaths. I'm saying many of these death numbers are fake.
The big question you have to ask yourself is why are any of these virus deaths fake?
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That's true for all infectious diseases. According what you write here, without qualification, if we don't all wear a full virus suit we are all guilty of murder. Don't forget your scientific studies, masks don't help much.
And realize, also, that hospitals in the US were not overrun. Even in NY they had access to field hospitals that they didn't use. They had access to a medical ship they didn't use. Instead, they sent COVID patients into care homes with the elderly.
if, after knowing the old were most at risk, politicians are still willing to use old age homes for COVID patients (which they did and continue to do even to this day), do you think cold people like that shouldn't use any virus to control what businesses stay open? Where and when you can gather? What you are allowed to publish about your opinion on how they are "caring for you"? What punishments they can use for any violator of their dictates (this reaches, justly in their minds, punishments for murder)? Force you to get a needle stuck in you with little tested vaccines that come with a certificate that allows you to live your life and lack of a cert to live your life if you don't even if you aren't at risk and the vaccine should protect the at risk? Leaders that cold would NEVER add anything to that needle to help them and not you would they?
The best solution is to do what we've done in all of history. Let the virus run its coarse with the protections we have used in the past and have seen work. The medical community needs to tell the truth that masks don't help much. If you're sick, you stay home. If you are a business that is worried about people gathering then hire people, perhaps in full virus gear, to enforce distancing rules you impose and hire other people to constantly clean behind everything anyone can touch. If that's too expensive and you are still worred about your business causing the spread of the virus then close until you are not worried anymore. Certainly old age homes should enact protections.
Sweden did roughly this and they have reached herd immunity for the summer. Fall will bring a bump in cases and deaths but since they have reached herd immunity it won't be as bad.
And the slums of Mumbai are in even better shape where they didn't do social distancing or wear masks for the most part. They never even had an overrun in their hospitals which is curious since they have a great deal less resouces per possible patient than NY. It shows that no matter what we did we can't be sure it changed much in any case...
...but you want to support a government that can shut down any activity for any virus at any time. And if you don't think that's true, then give us your principles upon which you would limit a government's edicts in this context. Can you see how people like me are merely being reasonable when we get up in arms about you supporting that?
And to add to that, probably every county in the country is doing exactly what this county is doing: https://newsms.fm/desoto-county-cor...0DBCZc3O0o8cr6Fp03ae4RYCQ8Xx02YDvKCg1kWvOOxio
Desoto County has been cited by Gov Reeves and others as a "hot spot" for Covid. In a social media post, Desoto County Coroner Josh Pounders questioned the actual numbers of deaths reportedly caused by COVID-19.
This is what Pounders said:
This post is not to take away the importance of any life or life lost during the “covid 19” pandemic. I sympathize with any family who has lost a loved one, however, I also believe its important to report facts to the public.
In the month of July 2020 the Desoto County Coroners office completed reports and in the process of filing 144 deaths with the state of Mississippi. This is an average month in Desoto County.
I normally don’t publicly post specifics of the deaths each month out of respect for family privacy and Hippa laws however I see on a daily bases in the last few months many facebook google experts and politicians with politically driven agendas driven by money reporting information that is twisted and false to the public.
These are your Facts for Desoto County in the month of July 2020.
Deaths and cause of death:
Cancer: 30
Congestive heart failure, heart disease, lung diseases, vascular disease, stroke, or the combination of more than one of these: 67
Cirrohsis of liver: 1
Infection or sepsis from a source of infection
such as Pneumonia: 18
Accidental trauma who passed away inside of Desoto County before reaching a hospital: 0
Renal disease: 2
Drug overdose: 1
Possible drug related deaths pending toxicology results from
Ms Medical examiners office: 5
Gastrointestinal complications (ex bowel obstruction, Gastrointestinal hemorrhage): 4
Alzheimers disease, Dementia, Parkinsons disease: 16
Homicide: 0
Total deaths investigated by Desoto County Coroners office in the month of July 2020: 144
These numbers include hospice deaths, hospital deaths, unexpected deaths in the home, and deaths of people who died before reaching a hospital to get medical care.
Deaths of people who had a + covid test result prior to or at the time of their death but does not necessarily mean covid was their primary cause of death: 24.
This number is included in the total number of deaths (144) above. All of the individuals who have died that were + for covid at some point have all had major medical problems prior to contracting covid. Most of these deaths have been of people over the age of 75. Many of these covid deaths are of people who were on hospice care with a terminal diagnoses. some of these deaths the person was + for covid but had no symptoms of covid prior to death but died of other medical problems. The department of health demands that these deaths be called a covid death and reports them as only that without reporting that many of them were terminal prior to a +test.
In my opinion, this has lead to unnecessary fear in the public and caused stress to the citizens in this county and across this country.
The one thing that is drastically up is cardio/pulmonary deaths. I attribute this to two things:
1. Stress of the covid 19 pandemic. Stress causes high blood pressure and high blood pressure with heart disease or vascular disease cause heart attacks and strokes.
2. People see the false information politicians report to the world on the internet. They see what the news reporter who has no knowledge of what he is reporting broadcast to the world. They become scared to leave home and go to the hospitals for fear of a virus when they need medical care for a more serious condition and ultimately have a cardiac arrest at home.
Although anytime life is lost I consider it a tragedy and sympathize with that family. I however believe that public fear and the government reporting only partial information is misleading and should not be.
Covid is real and we should protect the elderly who are frail, however life for the average healthy majority must go on so that chaos in our community and across the country does not escalate and ultimately cause more deaths than any virus ever would.
Thank you for your time
and the opportunity to serve.
JP
The pandemic is over for the summer. And if we let it run its coarse it will only be remembered as another pandemic like SARS, MERS, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, and Swine flu.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
“Swine Flu”
| The US Centre for Disease and Control Prevention (CDC) estimated that 150, 000 to 575,000 people died from (H1N1) pandemic virus infection in the first year of the outbreak. |
The pandemic is over for the summer? Great, now how about the fall, when flu season sets in? What do you think the coronavirus will do then?
Rather, it will be remembered as another pandemic like the Spanish Flu.