The coronavirus scam

[marke]

Yes, you are. You parrot on about aerosol particles et al as if you're an expert on the spread of virus transmission when you're only going on what you've seen in them and then expect others to give credence to the same videos you post that run contrary to expert opinion on the matter, else why post them? For what purpose?

There's no reason to in short. You're not an expert and neither am I. I'm still going to consult a doctor when needs be instead of a car mechanic.

Masks leak aerosols like a yard sprinkler. Only an idiot would refuse to acknowledge that fact.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Because they clearly and repeatably demonstrate the opposite of what said entities are claiming.



Nope.



Of course not.

However, when it is demonstrable that the opposite of what such entities claim is true and verifiable, there is reason to doubt said entities.



You seem fascinated with this idea we are claiming that people who are not in a relevant field are saying things that go against the claims of the "established" medical community, to the point where it's clouding your view.

Have you noticed that not once have I cited or referenced a non-medical (or former) practitioner on this or related topics?

Which is why I'm calling you out on your non-sequitur.

And to be honest, now that I think about it, it's not a non-sequitur, it's a straw man.

You're attacking my argument because you think I'm saying something that I'm not.

To use your analogy, I'm not recommending going to a car mechanic for dental work.

What I'm doing is akin to getting a second opinion from a local Auto & Body shop after going to a shady chain store mechanic.



Supra.



For the exact same reason I've been saying in my last couple of posts.

The "experts'" claims are demonstrably wrong, as the video (made by a retired "expert", and not just some random person) showed.



Supra.

No, they are not "demonstrably" wrong. If your yardstick for 'evidence' is a guy doing an experiment on YT then it most certainly does fit your preferred narrative because it's been summarily dismissed and touted as misleading and disinformation by experts, those of which you dismiss. I don't see much need to add to Expos' post here:

The coronavirus scam

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[Arthur Brain]

Don't trust experts who tell you masks keep people safe from covid. That is not true.

Says the expert...

 

[marke]

Not really...

Right, you aren't, so why should anything you put up that runs against established clinics and bodies that specialise in virology etc be given any sort of credence? Because they fit your preferred narrative? That's not how things work and expertise isn't to be given short shrift because it doesn't coincide with what you would rather believe etc. Otherwise, again, go visit an expert mechanic to get your teeth seen to and see how that works out.

There's no 'non-sequitur' going on at all, at least from my side of the argument here. If you're fine with a qualified doctor giving you medical diagnoses (you are aren't you?) then why so shy of experts in the field of virology doing the same? Or would you actually rather have steeplejacks giving their expert opinion on medical ailments and the like?

Fauci specializes in virology. He helped invent covid and his pharmaceutical company brushes all effective medicines aside in the fight against covid so that he could partially monopolize government spending on his chosen vaccine.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Fauci specializes in virology. He helped invent covid and his pharmaceutical company brushes all effective medicines aside in the fight against covid so that he could partially monopolize government spending on his chosen vaccine.

"Fauci helped invent Covid"??!

Okie dokie then...

 

[marke]

No, they are not "demonstrably" wrong. If your yardstick for 'evidence' is a guy doing an experiment on YT then it most certainly does fit your preferred narrative because it's been summarily dismissed and touted as misleading and disinformation by experts, those of which you dismiss. I don't see much need to add to Expos' post here:

The coronavirus scam

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No 'expert' has proven conclusively that masks themselves are majorly effective against covid. They deceive others by saying things like 'masks have been found effective against covid when used in conjunction with other measures.' In other words, 'Masks don't do crap unless other measures are used which do, with or without masks, help slow the spread of covid.

 

[marke]

"Fauci helped invent Covid"??!

Okie dokie then...

Excactly. If you don't know that Fauci was involved in funding the Wuhan lab that invented covid then you should admit you simply do not know the facts.

 

[ok doser]

Don't trust experts who tell you masks keep people safe from covid. That is not true.

If masks kept people safe from the kung flu, no health care workers would have gotten sick, no elderly in nursing homes would have gotten sick, restrictions on airlines would not have been necessary, etc, etc

 

[marke]

My d

If masks kept people safe from the kung flu, no health care workers would have gotten sick, no elderly in nursing homes would have gotten sick, restrictions on airlines would not have been unnecessary, etc, etc

My daughter worked as a nurse at a nursing home and she got covid, even though all workers at the rest home practiced every safety and cleanliness measure known.

 

[JudgeRightly]

No, they are not "demonstrably" wrong.

Well, yes, they are, and the video does just that.

Think he's wrong? PROVE IT! I dare you.

If your yardstick for 'evidence' is a guy doing an experiment on YT

My yardstick is if something is repeatable, verifiable.

You know, like actual science.

Last I checked, anyone can buy a vape stick and a mask and do the exact same test.

You still have not answered my question:

What about his demonstration using a vape stick and masks is misleading? What about the demonstration is inadequate to make his point?

then it most certainly does fit your preferred narrative

My preferred narrative has nothing to do with it.

Reality is, and the video demonstrates, that masks DO NOT STOP aerosols.

because it's been summarily dismissed and touted as misleading and disinformation by experts,

Simply because they're the experts?

Where is their evidence that masks DO stop aerosols?

Because the video I shared shows, quite clearly, that they do not.

those of which you dismiss.

I dismiss them because they're wrong, as the video demonstrates.

I don't see much need to add to Expos' post here:

The coronavirus scam

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I already addressed that post. You can see my response here:

Post in thread 'The coronavirus scam' https://theologyonline.com/threads/the-coronavirus-scam.54316/post-1798947

 

[Right Divider]

Of course I know what a fact is and it's not open to subjective opinion. I presume that you know that?

That was MY POINT... I don't need an expert to tell me "what the facts are".
FACTS are FACTS no matter who points them out or who believes them.

Right, so you're not 'worshipping an expert' when you visit your general practitioner when in need of medical advice. Your GP is an expert else why consult him? Why not consult your local quack who moonlights as a doctor when his real expertise may lie in mending roof tiles instead?

Again, you don't understand your problem. YOU always accept the opinions of PARTICULAR experts simply because they are experts and they say what you want to believe.

So, if presumably you're not going to question the credentials of an expert who will be best qualified to aid in treatment of whatever disease, symptoms or ailments you may be suffering from, why question the credentials of experts who are better versed in the field of virology, transmission, protective measures and the like?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Excactly. If you don't know that Fauci was involved in funding the Wuhan lab that invented covid then you should admit you simply do not know the facts.

Well, I've heard some out there conspiracy theories from the far right but this one's a doozy...

For morbid curiosity's sake: Evidence?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Well, yes, they are, and the video does just that.

Think he's wrong? PROVE IT! I dare you.



My yardstick is if something is repeatable, verifiable.

You know, like actual science.

Last I checked, anyone can buy a vape stick and a mask and do the exact same test.

You still have not answered my question:

What about his demonstration using a vape stick and masks is misleading? What about the demonstration is inadequate to make his point?



My preferred narrative has nothing to do with it.

Reality is, and the video demonstrates, that masks DO NOT STOP aerosols.



Simply because they're the experts?

Where is their evidence that masks DO stop aerosols?

Because the video I shared shows, quite clearly, that they do not.



I dismiss them because they're wrong, as the video demonstrates.



I already addressed that post. You can see my response here:

Post in thread 'The coronavirus scam' https://theologyonline.com/threads/the-coronavirus-scam.54316/post-1798947

He did not "prove" any such thing as has been summarily outlined by varying people who are experts in the field and who you completely ignore. They make sense, you and this guy do not but of course it's entirely your prerogative to believe as you will of course.

 

[Arthur Brain]

That was MY POINT... I don't need an expert to tell me "what the facts are".
FACTS are FACTS no matter who points them out or who believes them.

Again, you don't understand your problem. YOU always accept the opinions of PARTICULAR experts simply because they are experts and they say what you want to believe.

I don't have a problem thanks RD.

 

[marke]

Well, I've heard some out there conspiracy theories from the far right but this one's a doozy...

For morbid curiosity's sake: Evidence?

Note to leftists with an unhealthy devotion to lying leftist democrat propaganda: 'Don't think you know all the facts if you have never heard the facts from a truthful source.'

 

[Right Divider]

I don't have a problem thanks RD.

You do... you're just in denial.

 

[Arthur Brain]

You do... you're just in denial.

Hmm, maybe I should start buying into conspiracy theories and any ole bunk instead then? Otherwise, I ain't got a problem. That you seem to have a problem with my not having a problem is not my problem.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Note to leftists with an unhealthy devotion to lying leftist democrat propaganda: 'Don't think you know all the facts if you have never heard the facts from a truthful source.'

You're a hoot and then some...

Where's this evidence that Fauci helped invent Covid in a Wuhan lab?

Frankly, you are the epitome of bat crazy.

 

[JudgeRightly]

He did not "prove" any such thing

Because the experts say so?

Sorry, he's one of the so-called "experts."

Not that that matters.

Please answer the questions:

In what way is what he presented in his video misleading?
In what way is his demonstration inadequate in showing that masks do not work against aerosols?

as has been summarily outlined by varying people who are experts in the field and who you completely ignore.

There you go, making that appeal to authority again.

They make sense, you and this guy do not

Because you say so?

but of course it's entirely your prerogative to believe as you will of course.

What I believe has nothing to do with the facts, "Arthur Brain."

The facts are that masks DO NOT protect people against aerosol-based viruses.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Because the experts say so?

Sorry, he's one of the so-called "experts."

Not that that matters.

Please answer the questions:

In what way is what he presented in his video misleading?
In what way is his demonstration inadequate in showing that masks do not work against aerosols?



There you go, making that appeal to authority again.



Because you say so?



What I believe has nothing to do with the facts, "Arthur Brain."

The facts are that masks DO NOT protect people against aerosol-based viruses.

Yes, it's debunked rubbish. There's in depth detail as to how this silly little video doesn't prove what you insist it does and is readily available to read. The guy is simply another one with a bee in his bonnet about masks and Fauci and spreading useless disinformation around as flagged on social media. You stick with conspiracy stuff like this as much as you want and kid yourself that it's all proven and it's the truth as much as you want as well. It isn't.