the church

chrysostom · May 13, 2016

TulipBee said:
Being saved without God is nonsense

that is a nonsense answer
-why would God inspire you?

HisServant · May 13, 2016

chrysostom said:
what you do demonstrates how trustworthy you are
-that makes sense if you understand free will

How trustworthy you are is irrelevant. The problem is SIN... not ones character.

TulipBee · May 13, 2016

chrysostom said:
that is a nonsense answer
-why would God inspire you?

To let me know he made me

SaulToPaul 2 · May 13, 2016

chrysostom said:
-the church teaches your salvation depends on what you do
-that sounds like a good idea

The way that seemeth right to a man...but

chrysostom · May 14, 2016

HisServant said:
How trustworthy you are is irrelevant. The problem is SIN... not ones character.

that is nonsense

-did you read what you posted?
-did you hear about the angels that rebelled?

-the church teaches what you do is what you are
-and
-that is relevant

Nihilo · May 14, 2016

chrysostom said:
that is nonsense

-did you read what you posted?
-did you hear about the angels that rebelled?

-the church teaches what you do is what you are
-and
-that is relevant

That's right, because it logically necessarily implies nonfictional, real human freedom.

Spoiler

If you don't believe in human freedom then you should believe in the papacy. Otherwise, I challenge that (generally) you do not actually reject the notion of human freedom, because if you do, then you'd (specifically) believe in the popes.

Who teach human freedom.

chrysostom · May 15, 2016

today is sunday
-the church gives us a place to gather in His name
-the church feeds us

TulipBee · May 15, 2016

chrysostom said:
today is sunday
-the church gives us a place to gather in His name
-the church feeds us

We're in the same Church but your food has mold on it. Ours are fresh and stays fresh.

zzub · May 15, 2016

Do you love God's word or what ?

Matthew 18:6 ESV

But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea

Nihilo · May 15, 2016

KingdomRose said:
Jesus called Peter "petros," which is of masculine gender and means "a PIECE of rock," distinct from the word Jesus used to describe the "rock" upon which he would build his church---"petra," of feminine gender and meaning "a mass of rock."

Jesus was not using synonymous terms.

That the apostles did not understand Jesus' statement to signify that Peter was the mass of rock, is evident from the fact that they later disputed about who seemed to be the greatest among them. (Mark 9:33-35; Luke 22:24-26) There would have been no basis for such disputing had Peter been given the primacy as the mass of rock on which the church was to be built.

The Scriptures clearly show that as foundation stones, ALL THE APOSTLES ARE EQUAL. All of them, including Peter, rest upon Jesus Christ as the foundation cornerstone (Ephesians 2:19-22; Revelation 21:2,9-14) Peter himself identified the mass of rock (petra) on which the church is built as being CHRIST. (I Peter 2:4-8)

The Lord called Peter Cephas, and a Cephas is a Cephas, and "UPON THIS CEPHAS" means Cephas.

Therefore your idea is an error. "Incorrectamundo."

dodge · May 15, 2016

Nihilo said:
The Lord called Peter Cephas, and a Cephas is a Cephas, and "UPON THIS CEPHAS" means Cephas.

Therefore your idea is an error. "Incorrectamundo."

Do you see Peter in the following verse given any "special place" above any other Apostle ? No you do not and YOU are in error.

Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

chrysostom · May 17, 2016

dodge said:
Do you see Peter in the following verse given any "special place" above any other Apostle ?

I see Jesus asking peter to feed His sheep
-the church feeds His sheep

SaulToPaul 2 · May 17, 2016

chrysostom said:
I see Jesus asking peter to feed His sheep
-the church feeds His sheep

:chuckle:

The church are sheep. Sheep feed sheep?

TulipBee · May 17, 2016

chrysostom said:
I see Jesus asking peter to feed His sheep
-the church feeds His sheep

The goats tries to feed the sheep

Right Divider · May 17, 2016

Nihilo said:
The Lord called Peter Cephas, and a Cephas is a Cephas, and "UPON THIS CEPHAS" means Cephas.

Therefore your idea is an error. "Incorrectamundo."

That's silly.

The WORDS what Jesus used were TWO DIFFERENT words.

Matt 16:18 (AKJV/PCE)

(16:18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Peter is:

G4074 Πέτρος Petros (pe'-tros) n/p.

1. a (piece of) rock.

2. as a name, Petrus, an apostle.

{larger than G3037}

[apparently a primary word]

KJV: Peter, rock

Compare: G3037, G2786

The ROCK that Jesus will build His church is:

G4073 πέτρα petra (pe'-tra) n.

1. (properly) a mass of solid rock (such as a solidly massive foundation or as jutting upward for hewing out a large family chamber tomb).

2. (person) The Solid Rock (of Ages), Jesus, Yeshua.

3. (Note) The solid rock is in distinct contrast to a piece of rock or a rock fragment.

{literally or figuratively}

[feminine of the same as G4074]

KJV: rock

Root(s): G4074

See also: H6697

One is a piece of rock (Peter) the OTHER is a MASS of SOLID ROCK; that is CHRIST!

It is clearly a GREEK "Play on words".

SaulToPaul 2 · May 17, 2016

Right Divider said:
That's silly.

The WORDS what Jesus used were TWO DIFFERENT words.
Matt 16:18 (AKJV/PCE)
(16:18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Peter is:
G4074 Πέτρος Petros (pe'-tros) n/p.
1. a (piece of) rock.
2. as a name, Petrus, an apostle.
{larger than G3037}
[apparently a primary word]
KJV: Peter, rock
Compare: G3037, G2786

The ROCK that Jesus will build His church is:
G4073 πέτρα petra (pe'-tra) n.
1. (properly) a mass of solid rock (such as a solidly massive foundation or as jutting upward for hewing out a large family chamber tomb).
2. (person) The Solid Rock (of Ages), Jesus, Yeshua.
3. (Note) The solid rock is in distinct contrast to a piece of rock or a rock fragment.
{literally or figuratively}
[feminine of the same as G4074]
KJV: rock
Root(s): G4074
See also: H6697

One is a piece of rock (Peter) the OTHER is a MASS of SOLID ROCK; that is CHRIST!

It is clearly a GREEK "Play on words".

Yeah, but he probably spoke it in Aramaic!

I've heard all of the arguments on EWTN.

Nick M · May 17, 2016

SaulToPaul said:
:chuckle:

The church are sheep. Sheep feed sheep?

The sheep are ruling over the 12 tribes of sheep.

SaulToPaul 2 · May 17, 2016

Nick M said:
That are the sheep are ruling over the 12 tribes of sheep.

Chrys does not include himself in "the church", as if the so-called clergy is the church. It's weird.

Wick Stick · May 17, 2016

The laity are the sheep. The pastors are the shepherds. Now that I think about it... isn't that what the word 'pastor' means?

Right Divider · May 17, 2016

Wick Stick said:
The laity are the sheep. The pastors are the shepherds. Now that I think about it... isn't that what the word 'pastor' means?

In the body of Christ there is no such distinction as "clergy/laity".

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