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meshak

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HisServant said:
Which is something no human is able to do. The darkness hates the light..
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But God is giving us something we cannot attained by ourselves.

The world is wicked. It will stay wicked because of our selfish and prideful heart.

God will eliminate all wickedness which we cannot do by ourselves. We are too self-centered as a whole.
 
chrysostom

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chrysostom said:
Jesus suffered and died so we might be saved
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chrysostom said:
do you agree that we could not be saved
-if
-Jesus didn't suffer and die for us
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meshak said:
that's is not all about Christianity.

the main will of God is that we live in righteous, godly, pure, peaceful and loving earth.

If we are not seeking true peace on earth, we will not seek God. and if we are not seeking this, we will distort salvation.

We need to make that clear before giving them false assurance.

Salvation is conditional. We need to have willing heart to accept God's pure loving gesture.
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I can see that you are avoiding the suffering and death of Jesus
-care to explain why
 
chrysostom

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Jesus gave us the church
-the church gave us the bible
-the bible shows how Jesus gave us the church
-the church teaches the gospel
-the good news
-that we might be saved
 
KingdomRose

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chrysostom said:
do you agree that we could not be saved
-if
-Jesus didn't suffer and die for us
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I agree with that. If not Jesus, then another perfect being....which would have had to be another angel. But I'm sure Jesus had no problem with volunteering. Someone would've had to die for us.
 
KingdomRose

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HisServant said:
Which is something no human is able to do. The darkness hates the light..
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She didn't say that it was. It's true that salvation involves more than just saying, "I believe."

"The DEMONS believe, and shudder." (James 2:19)

A person must accept Jesus' redemptive sacrifice and THEN follow in his steps. (I Peter 2:21)
 
chrysostom

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the arguments continue
-they all have the bible on their side
-but
-they forget
-the church gave them that bible
 
chrysostom

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KingdomRose said:
I agree with that. If not Jesus, then another perfect being....which would have had to be another angel. But I'm sure Jesus had no problem with volunteering. Someone would've had to die for us.
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mary was the only other perfect being that I am aware of
-and
-she suffered and died
-but
-I don't think that alone would have done it
 
serpentdove

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chrysostom said:
mary was the only other perfect being that I am aware of...
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:dizzy: Perfect people don't lose their children.

His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”

And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” Lk 2:48–49

See:

No Mary Worship
 
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