Derf
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Check the Hebrew words and the other translations.My Bible has "Heaven" and "heavens."
Check the Hebrew words and the other translations.My Bible has "Heaven" and "heavens."
Nah.Why not? Science just means knowledge. "Natural science" simply deals with what we can know about nature. I'd say that the earth just after it was created definitely falls within that category.
Usually what happens is that when you reject the foundation of the Bible as literal, you end up destroying the foundation for everything else in the Bible.
I don't demand it has to be.Why does it have to be a metaphor?
I don't need for it to have the exact word of "chaos".What chaos was there?
The Bible doesn't mention any.
Physical death was available as soon as plants and animals were created.There was no death before Adam.
OK by me if you see it that way.I see two. "Firmament" and "firmament of the heavens."
Would you care to provide some Biblical support for that?Physical death was available as soon as plants and animals were created.
The Bible says that there was no death before sin. At least for man:Unless you think no small plant or animal or insect could be stepped on and squished to death by a large critter.
That is speculation based on the post-sin world.And the fact that Adam & Eve were told to multiply.
Reproduction was necessary because animals, plants, and mankind were not immortal as the angels were.
Check the Hebrew words
and the other translations
That was a very valuable post... NOTThe biggest evidence of the Flood? The world ocean.
AND The biggest evidence for hell : The world Lava.
It is grammatically plural but does not always denote a plurality.Both are plural.
Agreed. If you look at a globe, directly at, say, the Line Islands, from that vantage point, the world looks like it's still completely flooded.The biggest evidence of the Flood? The world ocean.
nono. The biggest evidence for hell is the Resurrection of Christ, as it is the biggest evidence for God, and for the Gospel.AND The biggest evidence for hell : The world Lava.
Very tangential evidence at best. And extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.Agreed. If you look at a globe, directly at, say, the Line Islands, from that vantage point, the world looks like it's still completely flooded.
nono. The biggest evidence for hell is the Resurrection of Christ, as it is the biggest evidence for God, and for the Gospel.
Half the world is still floodedVery tangential evidence at best. And extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.
Half your brain is clouded.Half the world is still flooded
We could post dueling links and different meanings of Hebrew words till the cows come home.I'm still waiting for you (or anyone) to address this link, which brings up key Hebrew words that are used that limit how the text can be interpreted.
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Key Hebrew Words
We could post dueling links and different meanings of Hebrew words till the cows come home.
"In modern translations, rāqî‘ is most often translated “expanse” which has the meaning of that which was spread out or stretched. It comes from the Hebrew word rq‘, which means to hammer out (HALOT) and by analogy to spread out like thin plate metal that is hammered.
In this passage, God calls the expanse “Heaven,” i.e., He equates heaven with the expanse so that they can be considered interchangeable.
Brown’s (2001) Hydroplate model (HPT) is not considered in this analysis, because he interpreted the “expanse” as a layer of the Earth’s crust; the “waters above” being the oceans and those below a subterranean reservoir.
But the word firmament (rāqî‘) is used 17 times in the Bible. In all other cases outside of Genesis it refers to a heavenly expanse either connected with the heavens and the sun (Psalm 19), stars (Daniel 12:3), or the glory of God (Ezekiel 1:22–26, 10:1), but never with the crust. Brown argued that Psalm 24:2, 33:7, 104:3, 136:5–9, and II Peter 3:5 supported his theory, but these passages better fit the third day when God separated the oceans and dry land".
The theories in your link as well as the ones that are discussed in the link I provided are all based on a belief in the Copernican model having outer space.
This from your link I agree with...
Like I asked earlier, since the Copernican model no longer has gravity as a force,
what's keeping the gases here for us to breathe?
I'm still waiting...
You realize that sharing links to files on your computer doesn't work, right?
You used the difference in your argument. We can presume that part of your argument is retracted, right?Both are plural. In that, I acknowledge that there's at least a discrepancy between the Hebrew and the English translation, i.e., the Hebrew is plural, but the English is singular, but it's a distinction without a difference, because the meaning doesn't change whichever is used.
I did address the difference, in saying that once it was named, the references to the firmament could now be further described with both words. Remember that God was creating things and establishing them where they belonged. The sun and moon and stars were established in the firmament of the heavens because they needed to be integrated into the structure--not just appear there for awhile-- and not like the birds that only fly on the surface ("face") of the heavens.One firmament is called "Heaven/heavens."
The other firmament is "of the heavens."
That's where the difference lies, and is the difference that you have yet to address, at least as of me writing this.
Except to show the variations in translation.If you're going to insist on going to the Hebrew, then there's not much point to go to other English translations.
Can you tell me what of that you think applies to what I've posted? I read a few pages on from your link, and it mainly seems to be opposed to the canopy models, which aren't my focus. If outer space is the firmament, then the canopy model doesn't work.I'm still waiting for you (or anyone) to address this link, which brings up key Hebrew words that are used that limit how the text can be interpreted.
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Key Hebrew Words
Hopefully, you address it in your next post.
Gravity, wouldn't you know it...
According to the theory of relativity gravity has zero force.No idea what you're talking about.
Gravity exists as a weak force.
Saying it doesn't make it so.You need to get over your obsession with the flat earth nonsense.
Sho nuff.That's nice.
Gravity.What's keeping the gases here for us to breathe?
According to the theory of relativity gravity has zero force.
Showing me how you can have gas pressure without a container might gitter done.
But it leaves Brown and his hydro plate theory without a container.
Maybe the rest of us don't have as much problem with gasses as you do...just saying.what's keeping the gases here for us to breathe?
Due to experiments that show Newtons 3rd law of motion that relies on gravity is false, you have no other choice than to believe Einstein or come up with your own solution, which by default cannot be gravity.I don't have any particular attachment to the theory of relativity. So what's your point?