ECT The ABCs of the salvation process

ZacharyB

Active member
IMO, these are the major ABC’s of the salvation process …

A -- INITIATION
The popular NT verses, such as John 3:16, are innocent little hooks
to catch the little fishes! … Several NT verses reveal that God gives
certain people the necessary seed of faith to enable them to believe
in Jesus and His gospel, and they are given the precious Holy Spirit
to live inside of them. Wow, this salvation stuff is really neat, isn’t it.
This initial stage is called “positional sanctification”. The foot is in
the door, so to speak, now it’s time to progress further …

B -- REVELATION
The Holy Spirit was sent to teach and guide believers into “all things”
(John 14:26,16:13) and to help them along the way as they progress.
This second stage is called “progressive sanctification”.
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:14)

The Holy Spirit tries to teach, and IF believers are willing to receive it,
more revelation is given regarding what God requires of them. Yes,
it is possible to be estranged from Christ and fall from grace (Gal 5:4),
and therefore to have received the grace of God in vain (2 Cor 6:1).
Many verses spell out what God requires in the way of co-operation …

C -- OBEDIENCE
These instructions to believers refer to eternal life and death:
“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading
to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit
you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (Romans 8:13)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap
everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

Yes, this living according to the Spirit involves discipline and obedience.
There are several verses pertaining to each of the following major topics.
IF believers do these, it proves they are on the narrow path to salvation:
• doing God’s will (this involves all of the following topics)
• having a “knowing” relationship with Father God and Jesus
• doing good works-deeds towards the poor and needy
• practicing righteousness
• being obedient to Jesus’ commands
• refusing to be a habitual unrepentant sinner
• living a life of sincere repentance over sins
• living a dedicated and holy life
• being an overcomer (as Jesus overcame)
• enduring in the faith until the end of life
The Key is to understand what true repentance is, and to live
a life of repenting over sins and failures to do all of the above.

It is not all the bed of roses that the OSAS doctrine teaches.
So, don’t be deceived, dozens of NT verses teach against it.
“… we are children of God, and if children, then heirs — heirs
of God and joint heirs with Christ, IF indeed we suffer with Him,
that we may also be glorified together.” (Romans 8:16-17)

“I (Paul) have had one message for Jews and Gentiles alike –
the necessity of turning from sin to God
through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Acts 20:21, TLB)
 
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musterion

Well-known member
I need to find one of them drive thru churches so I can confess and repent on my way to and from Bojangles, where I always have too many sweet tater pies.
 

HisServant

New member
IMO, these are the major ABC’s of the salvation process …

A -- INITIATION
The popular NT verses, such as John 3:16, are innocent little hooks
to catch the little fishes! … Several NT verses reveal that God gives
certain people the necessary seed of faith to enable them to believe
in Jesus and His gospel, and they are given the precious Holy Spirit
to live inside of them. Wow, this salvation stuff is really neat, isn’t it.
This initial stage is called “positional sanctification”. The foot is in
the door, so to speak, now it’s time to progress further …

B -- REVELATION
The Holy Spirit was sent to teach and guide believers into “all things”
(John 14:26,16:13) and to help them along the way as they progress.
This second stage is called “progressive sanctification”.
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:14)

The Holy Spirit tries to teach, and IF believers are willing to receive it,
more revelation is given regarding what God requires of them. Yes,
it is possible to be estranged from Christ and fall from grace (Gal 5:4),
and therefore to have received the grace of God in vain (2 Cor 6:1).
Many verses spell out what God requires in the way of co-operation …

C -- OBEDIENCE
These instructions to believers refer to eternal life and death:
“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading
to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit
you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (Romans 8:13)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap
everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

Yes, this living according to the Spirit involves discipline and obedience.
There are several verses pertaining to each of the following major topics.
IF believers do these, it proves they are on the narrow path to salvation:
• doing God’s will (this involves all of the following topics)
• having a “knowing” relationship with Father God and Jesus
• doing good works-deeds towards the poor and needy
• practicing righteousness
• being obedient to Jesus’ commands
• refusing to be a habitual unrepentant sinner
• living a life of sincere repentance over sins
• living a dedicated and holy life
• being an overcomer (as Jesus overcame)
• enduring in the faith until the end of life
The Key is to understand what true repentance is, and to live
a life of repenting over sins and failures to do all of the above.

It is not all the bed of roses that the OSAS doctrine teaches.
So, don’t be deceived, dozens of NT verses teach against it.
“… we are children of God, and if children, then heirs — heirs
of God and joint heirs with Christ, IF indeed we suffer with Him,
that we may also be glorified together.” (Romans 8:16-17)

Another personal 'gospel' not delivered by the Apostles.
 

musterion

Well-known member
I confess that I once wanted a beer so bad that I went to the football stadium and ate the dirt under the bleachers.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
IMO, these are the major ABC’s of the salvation process …

A -- INITIATION
The popular NT verses, such as John 3:16, are innocent little hooks
to catch the little fishes! … Several NT verses reveal that God gives
certain people the necessary seed of faith to enable them to believe
in Jesus and His gospel, and they are given the precious Holy Spirit
to live inside of them. Wow, this salvation stuff is really neat, isn’t it.
This initial stage is called “positional sanctification”. The foot is in
the door, so to speak, now it’s time to progress further …

B -- REVELATION
The Holy Spirit was sent to teach and guide believers into “all things”
(John 14:26,16:13) and to help them along the way as they progress.
This second stage is called “progressive sanctification”.
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:14)

The Holy Spirit tries to teach, and IF believers are willing to receive it,
more revelation is given regarding what God requires of them. Yes,
it is possible to be estranged from Christ and fall from grace (Gal 5:4),
and therefore to have received the grace of God in vain (2 Cor 6:1).
Many verses spell out what God requires in the way of co-operation …

C -- OBEDIENCE
These instructions to believers refer to eternal life and death:
“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading
to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit
you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (Romans 8:13)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap
everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

Yes, this living according to the Spirit involves discipline and obedience.
There are several verses pertaining to each of the following major topics.
IF believers do these, it proves they are on the narrow path to salvation:
• doing God’s will (this involves all of the following topics)
• having a “knowing” relationship with Father God and Jesus
• doing good works-deeds towards the poor and needy
• practicing righteousness
• being obedient to Jesus’ commands
• refusing to be a habitual unrepentant sinner
• living a life of sincere repentance over sins
• living a dedicated and holy life
• being an overcomer (as Jesus overcame)
• enduring in the faith until the end of life
The Key is to understand what true repentance is, and to live
a life of repenting over sins and failures to do all of the above.

It is not all the bed of roses that the OSAS doctrine teaches.
So, don’t be deceived, dozens of NT verses teach against it.
“… we are children of God, and if children, then heirs — heirs
of God and joint heirs with Christ, IF indeed we suffer with Him,
that we may also be glorified together.” (Romans 8:16-17)



It will help, Zachary, if you don't mix personal changes with the solving of the debt of sin problem. Things get confusing when that is done. The debt issue that the Gospel deals with in Christ must be clear. Even a bit detached. But it is the motivation for other good works. It prevents a person from being motivated just to be good or just to get things from God or limiting God to merely things done inside us.

The "is" and the "ought" should not be mixed.
 

heir

TOL Subscriber
It will help, Zachary, if you don't mix personal changes with the solving of the debt of sin problem.
It would help if Zachary wouldn't mix that which was and will be TO Israel with that which is TO the Body of Christ and to stop making things up. Most of all, it would help if Zachary got saved before he opened up a thread about salvation.
 

ZacharyB

Active member
It would help ...
if so-called "believers" actually had the Holy Spirit indwelling them,
Who was leading and guiding them into all spiritual Truth.
But, this does NOT happen when people are
NOT OPEN to receiving spiritual Truth from Him
(and there are many reasons for this).
He speaks with a still small voice (normally!),
while Satan's demons are very pushy indeed.

Incredible news ...
I have added a little tid-bit from Paul
to da end of the OP.
If anyone would like to see a lot more
of the same, I'll send you an NT - free.
Then, you'll have one.
 
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Totton Linnet

New member
Silver Subscriber
IMO, these are the major ABC’s of the salvation process …

A -- INITIATION
The popular NT verses, such as John 3:16, are innocent little hooks
to catch the little fishes! … Several NT verses reveal that God gives
certain people the necessary seed of faith to enable them to believe
in Jesus and His gospel, and they are given the precious Holy Spirit
to live inside of them. Wow, this salvation stuff is really neat, isn’t it.
This initial stage is called “positional sanctification”. The foot is in
the door, so to speak, now it’s time to progress further …

B -- REVELATION
The Holy Spirit was sent to teach and guide believers into “all things”
(John 14:26,16:13) and to help them along the way as they progress.
This second stage is called “progressive sanctification”.
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:14)

The Holy Spirit tries to teach, and IF believers are willing to receive it,
more revelation is given regarding what God requires of them. Yes,
it is possible to be estranged from Christ and fall from grace (Gal 5:4),
and therefore to have received the grace of God in vain (2 Cor 6:1).
Many verses spell out what God requires in the way of co-operation …

C -- OBEDIENCE
These instructions to believers refer to eternal life and death:
“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading
to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit
you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (Romans 8:13)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap
everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)

Yes, this living according to the Spirit involves discipline and obedience.
There are several verses pertaining to each of the following major topics.
IF believers do these, it proves they are on the narrow path to salvation:
• doing God’s will (this involves all of the following topics)
• having a “knowing” relationship with Father God and Jesus
• doing good works-deeds towards the poor and needy
• practicing righteousness
• being obedient to Jesus’ commands
• refusing to be a habitual unrepentant sinner
• living a life of sincere repentance over sins
• living a dedicated and holy life
• being an overcomer (as Jesus overcame)
• enduring in the faith until the end of life
The Key is to understand what true repentance is, and to live
a life of repenting over sins and failures to do all of the above.

It is not all the bed of roses that the OSAS doctrine teaches.
So, don’t be deceived, dozens of NT verses teach against it.
“… we are children of God, and if children, then heirs — heirs
of God and joint heirs with Christ, IF indeed we suffer with Him,
that we may also be glorified together.” (Romans 8:16-17)

“I (Paul) have had one message for Jews and Gentiles alike –
the necessity of turning from sin to God
through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Acts 20:21, TLB)

That is called ever increasing bondage...the problem is lack of faith. You never really trusted that Christ had truly saved you.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
When you are truly familiar with Scripture, you realize that it is not trying to get you to think about changes inside you as much as to realize what has taken place in Christ in history. That's because the message of Christ is predominantly about sin as debt, which cannot be corrected 'inside us.' Justification and personal transformation are related by cause and effect, but they are not the same thing.
 

ZacharyB

Active member
When you are truly familiar with Scripture, you realize that it is not trying to get you to think about changes inside you as much as to realize what has taken place in Christ in history. That's because the message of Christ is predominantly about sin as debt, which cannot be corrected 'inside us.' Justification and personal transformation are related by cause and effect, but they are not the same thing.
What in bloody hell are you talkin' about?
The whole of the NT is about forsaking sin
... not only through belief-faith in Christ
(which makes it POSSIBLE to do so),
but through our obedience to God's commands
while enduring in our faith until the end of life.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
What in bloody hell are you talkin' about?
The whole of the NT is about forsaking sin
... not only through belief-faith in Christ
(which makes it POSSIBLE to do so),
but through our obedience to God's commands
while enduring in our faith until the end of life.


Just as the sun's heat and light are not the same thing, justification and personal change are not exactly the same. There is cause and effect. If you dwell on the effect all the time, you can lose the divine 'romance' of our relationship to the Gospel. Eventually, you don't 'want' to obey.

You can also wake up one day and realize that you have been so absorbed in changing yourself, that you see no reason why Christ died on the cross.

This is why a couple of the great hymns referred to the double power of sin--it's debt and stain. Debt can be paid, but stains may show for our whole life. The Gospel is most dear to those who realize debt is great, as in Luke 7:36. To love much because much has been forgiven shows the two aspects.
 
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