ok doser
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and we did become a great nation well before most of the population had access to public schooling
Tell Me Again How Public Schools are Cesspools of Atheism
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and we did become a great nation well before most of the population had access to public schooling
Ben Masada
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With the truth as long as it is possible. If a teacher or a professor is not sure of what he wants to say, he or she must add, according to this or that source and never leave the students certain that what he or she said is for a fact. Besides, both sides of the issue must be mentioned if one is to be mentioned at all. Students have freewill too and the right to make their own choices of the view they want to adopt.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
by the civil war we had a greater share than france and looks like we tied with britain and india
china's a monster :noway:
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Not only that, the schools that were here were started by Christians and the bible was at the heart of the Curriculum.
http://barlowvincentchurchofchrist....-BIBLE-IN-EARLY-AMERICAN-SCHOOLS-AND-COLLEGES
AMERICAN HISTORY.............:think:
http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/educationamerica.html
Jose Fly
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by the civil war we had a greater share than france and looks like we tied with britain and india
So let's use that to evaluate Clete's claim that the US became a great nation without public schools. As the Wiki page we've both linked to explains, prior to the civil war there were public schools in the northern states, but it wasn't until about the Civil War era that public school systems became widespread across all the states. Now, compare the US GDP between about 1750 and 1850 (100 years) to the GDP between 1870 and 1970 (100 years). Adopting your reasoning where GDP is a measure of a country's greatness, and is a way to evaluate the efficacy of its education system, then we must conclude that the public school system in the US has been a fantastic success.
Thanks for making my point for me. :up:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
no, well after
1870's
your point was that since 1950 the us public school system has been progressively failing?
:thumb:
PureX
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That was the era of the plantation owners. We were selling tobacco and hemp by the boatloads, and thanks to slave labor, the big plantation-owners were raking in the dough hand over fist. What really made us "great" in the years between 1776 and 1860 was slavery. Not education.
Jose Fly
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Jose Fly
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I know that, you know that, and most sane people know that. But remember, we're adopting Clete and doser's reasoning here that the way to measure both the US's greatness and educational system is by GDP.
It's silly, but then look who we're dealing with.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
:doh:
read The Age of Jackson by Schlessinger and appreciate the rise of industrialism in the north and its impact on the slavery position in the pre-war period, especially wrt the desire by working class whites to not compete with freed blacks for scarce jobs
what really made us great was immigration, a supply of labor cheaper than slavery
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
you asked me "by what measure"
gdp was the first thing that came to mind
you got something better?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
awww, gee, you don't like it when i notice that you moved the goal posts and i move them in a different direction, eh? :chuckle:
Jose Fly
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And it ended up contradicting Clete's argument.
Maybe you should ask Clete, since he's the one who made the claim in the first place.
Didn't do that at all.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
it showed that we grew great during the pre-1870 period before universal public education
of course you did
you went from arguing against Clete's claim that the US became a great nation without public schools, which my gdp graph proved to be true, to arguing that the us continued to become greater later
and you thought it wouldn't be noticed :chuckle:
Jose Fly
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LOL! And by the same measure, we grew really, really, really great once universal public education was established.
Which we know is false because 1) there were public schools during that period, and 2) by your chosen measure (GDP) the effect multiplied immensely as public education spread and became commonplace.
If you really think that, there's something fundamentally wrong with you.
No, it's the same argument. Remember, Clete argued that the US became great without public schools. My argument is that he's wrong, and we know this because 1) there were public schools during that period (independence to the Civil War), and 2) by your chosen measure (GDP) the effect multiplied immensely as public education spread and became commonplace.
I know your tribalism and pride won't allow you to admit that you've lost this one, but this is pretty straight forward. If you're going to argue that the GDP growth between 1770 and 1870 is an indication of the US's greatness and its education system, then you have to accept that by your own measure (GDP growth), the US became even greater once public education became universal.
Well, I suppose you can keep denying it if you like, but all that does is provide entertainment fodder.
opcorn:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
which doesn't disprove clete's claim :idunno:
and, you're ignoring the inflection point at 1950
sorry jo, i forgot you were a retard :loser:
oatmeal
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What wall of separation?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
the one that sez Christians can only be Christians in their homes and their churches
Jose Fly
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And this is why you're seen as a troll around here. Thanks for your time.