Support Israel?

[Lon]

Right Divider sent me this link (thank you): https://graceambassadors.com/prophecy/conflict-in-israel-and-gods-blessing

"This imbalanced response by America’s churches is largely due to a failure to rightly divide the word of God.

Israel is mentioned over 2,600 times in the Bible, and it is popularly (and wrongly) taught that God is still working to bless those that bless them, going all the way back to Genesis 12:3."

Reading and Mid Acts comprehension check: I'm surmising that the author is not lambasting people for supporting Jews and Israel in particular, but is rather seeing a disparity from interest in what is happening to Christians.

However, I think he's jumped the gun imho: 1) There are Christians in Israel and 2) News outlets definitely feed our prospective concerns. While it is my job to check sources and pray for my persecuted brothers and sisters, I believe this author is a bit tainted in saying such is 'largely due to failure to rightly divide the Word of God.' Rather I'd say it is more about what information is more readily available to the general masses and NOT a Mid Acts theology issue much at all. Maybe there is a loose connection of steered interest across board.

Is there however, a disagreement between Mid Acts and 2nd Chapter dispensationalists regarding a future for Israel? Thanks

 

[Right Divider]

Right Divider sent me this link (thank you): https://graceambassadors.com/prophecy/conflict-in-israel-and-gods-blessing

Just to be clear... I sent you a link to https://graceambassadors.com/
You found that particular article there on you own.

 

[Lon]

No response, so let me rephrase and put in a little homework:

Because Israel is still in God's plan, it'd seem (according to one link from dispensationalism), that Dispensationalists across board would be supportive of the state.

In such a question there are two assumptions, 1) that the Jewish people have to exist at the time of the Kingdom, and 2) that because the majority of Jews today live collectively and in solidarity in Palestine, that there would be support of the Israeli government.

God can certainly preserve His people, but what assumption (if any) am I missing? What if at all, am I getting right regarding Dispensationalists?

The article linked above states that in bombing Hamas, Israel has destroyed several Christian churches as well as hospitals etc. thus my questions are couched in the concerns of this article.

 

[DAN P]

No response, so let me rephrase and put in a little homework:

Because Israel is still in God's plan, it'd seem (according to one link from dispensationalism), that Dispensationalists across board would be supportive of the state.

In such a question there are two assumptions, 1) that the Jewish people have to exist at the time of the Kingdom, and 2) that because the majority of Jews today live collectively and in solidarity in Palestine, that there would be support of the Israeli government.

God can certainly preserve His people, but what assumption (if any) am I missing? What if at all, am I getting right regarding Dispensationalists?

The article linked above states that in bombing Hamas, Israel has destroyed several Christian churches as well as hospitals etc. thus my questions are couched in the concerns of this article.

Rom 11:15 , reads For since the rejected of them , is the world's reconciliation , what would be , the receiving , if not // me is a disjuncative particle negative , in other words Israel will be life from the dead , and as Isa 65 :8 shall a nation be born in one day ?

dan p

 

[glorydaz]

No response, so let me rephrase and put in a little homework:

Because Israel is still in God's plan, it'd seem (according to one link from dispensationalism), that Dispensationalists across board would be supportive of the state.

In such a question there are two assumptions, 1) that the Jewish people have to exist at the time of the Kingdom, and 2) that because the majority of Jews today live collectively and in solidarity in Palestine, that there would be support of the Israeli government.

God can certainly preserve His people, but what assumption (if any) am I missing? What if at all, am I getting right regarding Dispensationalists?

The article linked above states that in bombing Hamas, Israel has destroyed several Christian churches as well as hospitals etc. thus my questions are couched in the concerns of this article.

That article was interesting, but not accurate. Most Christian’s aren’t aware of the persecution in other countries, but what happens in Israel is impossible to ignore. God is working.

In these last days all nations will turn against Israel. According to prophecy, there will be a time when a man steps in and peace and safety will be declared which allows the Jews to rebuild their temple, but then he will set himself up in their temple and demand worship. This is the Antichrist, and that is when two thirds of the Jews will be killed and the remnant will be kept safe by God. They will look upon Him whom they pierced and that is when “all Israel will be saved“. The church, of course, will have been raptured by then.

Exciting times we live in. We are the generation that sees the fig tree bloom, which is national Israel, and we will not pass away before we see these things come to pass.

 

[Lon]

I likely should have started this differently as it didn't get the traction I imagined.

"If you were president, would you send aide to Israel as a nation?"

At a basic level, I'm asking what Christians 'should' do.

I was recently reading of Israel's actions against Iran, brought this all back to mind. It might better serve in politics. I may start something there, but I really wanted a few Christians to weigh in on what, if, should etc. Thanks for anybody taking a look.

 

[ok doser]

I likely should have started this differently as it didn't get the traction I imagined.

"If you were president, would you send aide to Israel as a nation?"

At a basic level, I'm asking what Christians 'should' do.

I was recently reading of Israel's actions against Iran, brought this all back to mind. It might better serve in politics. I may start something there, but I really wanted a few Christians to weigh in on what, if, should etc. Thanks for anybody taking a look.

Israel the current Nation I don't recognize as God's chosen people. From a geopolitical perspective, 100% we should send aid to them.

 

[glorydaz]

I likely should have started this differently as it didn't get the traction I imagined.

"If you were president, would you send aide to Israel as a nation?"

At a basic level, I'm asking what Christians 'should' do.

I was recently reading of Israel's actions against Iran, brought this all back to mind. It might better serve in politics. I may start something there, but I really wanted a few Christians to weigh in on what, if, should etc. Thanks for anybody taking a look.

I would. Blessing Israel can’t be a bad thing.

 

[glorydaz]

Israel the current Nation I don't recognize as God's chosen people. From a geopolitical perspective, 100% we should send aid to them.

You really think the Jews living in Israel aren’t God’s people. They claim the God of Israel….just like the Jews of old. And they reject Jesus as their Messiah, just like the Jews of old. You think they’re imposters?

 

[Lon]

Israel the current Nation I don't recognize as God's chosen people. From a geopolitical perspective, 100% we should send aid to them.

My question on point: Will/since Israel may return to the Lord, it doesn't mean there are any of them now, but how does it inform our politics? You said 100%. What is our duty to God on point? None of this loaded, I'm asking from one who hasn't really thought about this particular, as a Christian until I posted. I'd never thought about it in any real sense but as conflicts have arisen, I've come to see how I vote is necessary and am looking for advice, as it were. Thank you.

 

[Idolater]

My question on point: Will/since Israel may return to the Lord, it doesn't mean there are any of them now, but how does it inform our politics? You said 100%. What is our duty to God on point? None of this loaded, I'm asking from one who hasn't really thought about this particular, as a Christian until I posted. I'd never thought about it in any real sense but as conflicts have arisen, I've come to see how I vote is necessary and am looking for advice, as it were. Thank you.

"Wherever there is injustice, you will find us. Wherever there is suffering, we'll be there. Wherever liberty is threatened, you will find ..."

The United States. That's basically the goal anyway in my mind, if we can afford it. Is there injustice, suffering, and threats to liberty rn in Israel? Then we should see if we can help or not, if we can afford it. Same for Ukraine. Same for Africa. Same for any place where we can afford to help wherever there is injust, suffering, and threats to liberty. That's my take. I think it's a Christian take. I can defend it as such anyway.

 

[glorydaz]

My question on point: Will/since Israel may return to the Lord, it doesn't mean there are any of them now, but how does it inform our politics? You said 100%. What is our duty to God on point? None of this loaded, I'm asking from one who hasn't really thought about this particular, as a Christian until I posted. I'd never thought about it in any real sense but as conflicts have arisen, I've come to see how I vote is necessary and am looking for advice, as it were. Thank you.

You sound like you may doubt there are any real Jews today. Has Israel been REPLACED by a bunch of pretend Jews?