Super Bowls 1-50

The Berean

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That's my point.

When you have parity, you have less chance of dynasties.
Which means that teams in smaller league (within reason) have better arguements for greatest ever.

Yes, but the crappy teams get the top draft picks.
That's true.

Both the 60's Packers and 70's Steelers were built on the draft.
Yes, but a lot of the Steelers success was built on finding great talent down in the draft, right? Chuck Noll drafted brilliantly.

However, with 14 teams, the Packers would have two of the best college players in the first two rounds, whereas the Steelers would have one with the 28th pick.
Not all the best talent comes in the top rounds though.

It's not the 60's Packers fault they played when they did. They dominated the 60's, but if they had to do it against 32 teams, a salary cap, unrestricted free agency, and winning at least 3 games each post-season (they only had to win 1) there ain't no way they win 5 in 7 years.
You don't know that. Example: NEw England Patriots. I'll grant you there is more of a crapshoot to the playoffs.

The Patriots have somehow figured out how to master the current system like no other team.
Smart management is smart management.
 

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I think the tet can speak more to this but the 1976 Steelers had an awesome club. They had five shotouts and two other games where they allowed just three points. Over their final eight games they allowed just 19 points total! I think they had some injuries late in the season and they lost to the Raiders in the AFC title game. Had they been at full strength perhaps they win a third straight Super Bowl.

Yep.

Ask any Steeler from those teams, and everyone of them will all say the 76' team was by far the best of all of them.

They started out 1-4, then won 9 straight, then went to Baltimore and destroyed the #2 seed Colts 40-14 (who were 11-3), but lost their two running backs Franco Harris and Rocky Blier during the game. They had no chance against the 13-1 Raiders at Oakland without their two RB's.

The 76' Steelers were kinda like the 07' Patriots. Both franchises won 4 Super Bowls, but didn't win one with their best team.
 

tetelestai

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Which means that teams in smaller league (within reason) have better arguements for greatest ever.

On one hand yes, because the core players all stay on the team. On the other hand no, because it takes the other teams quite awhile to catch up to them (meaning they have no competition)
 

The Berean

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Yep.

Ask any Steeler from those teams, and everyone of them will all say the 76' team was by far the best of all of them.

They started out 1-4, then won 9 straight, then went to Baltimore and destroyed the #2 seed Colts 40-14 (who were 11-3), but lost their two running backs Franco Harris and Rocky Blier during the game. They had no chance against the 13-1 Raiders at Oakland without their two RB's.

The 76' Steelers were kinda like the 07' Patriots. Both franchises won 4 Super Bowls, but didn't win one with their best team.

Just curious, why did the Steelers start 1-4? Injuries? Offensive problems?
 

tetelestai

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Just curious, why did the Steelers start 1-4? Injuries? Offensive problems?

The first game they lost at Oakland (who finished 13-1 and won the Super Bowl). The Steelers had the lead and the ball on the Raiders 20 yard line under 2:00, but Franco fumbled, and the Raiders won on a last minute TD.

Then they beat the Browns

Then they lost by 3 to the Patriots

Then they lost at Minnesota to the Vikings who finished 11-2-1 and went to the Super Bowl that year.

Then Bradshaw broke his arm at Cleveland, and they lost that game by 2 points.

Then the defense played like no other defense ever played.

The following were the scores from the next 9 games:

23-6
27-0
23-0
45-0
14-3
32-16
7-3
42-0
21-0

They gave up 1 TD in 9 games.

They gave up 12 points in 8 games

They had 5 shutouts in 8 games.
 

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When you have parity, you have less chance of dynasties.
Where I'd say the dilution intensifies two elements of the game: coaching and the qb position. Get a star at both and you can win like you couldn't have before, when a few stars well coached weren't enough.

The Patriots have somehow figured out how to master the current system like no other team.
I think it's simply a matter of finding both of what I'm speaking to. I mean, outside of them you're not putting a large number of Pats in the Hall from those SB teams.
 

The Berean

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Where I'd say the dilution intensifies two elements of the game: coaching and the qb position. Get a star at both and you can win like you couldn't have before, when a few stars well coached weren't enough.


I think it's simply a matter of finding both of what I'm speaking to. I mean, outside of them you're not putting a large number of Pats in the Hall from those SB teams.

You see this in baseball as well. My San Francisco Giants have taken a lot of heat from some baseball folks for being "lucky" to win three World Series in five seasons. They go on and on about how they were not that good and just got hot at the right time and they played mediocre American League teams in the World Series. The 2014 Giants team especially was disparaged because they won just 88 games, were the second Wild Card team, and beat a Wildcard Royals team in the World Series.

I say the Giants have a great manager with some top players like Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarenr who are surrounded but solid players who play well together. And also a great bullpen.
 

The Berean

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Who was the last NFL Head Coach to wear a suit?

Mike Nolan? :D

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tetelestai

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Mike Nolan? :D

You missed it by one day.

Jack Del Rio wore a suit the next day (Monday Night Football)

No coach has wore a suit since.

"Del Rio became the second NFL head coach since 1993 to wear a suit on the sidelines during a November 20, 2006 regular season contest against the New York Giants, immediately following then San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan who had sported the look the previous day in a win over the Seattle Seahawks."


Prior to Del Rio and Nolan wearing suits in 2006, the last coach to do so was Dan Reeves in 1993.

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tetelestai

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Speaking of Super Bowls and Dan Reeves.

Reeves has participated in more Super Bowls as a player and coach than anyone else.

Reeves played in 2 Super Bowls with the Cowboys (V & VI)

Was an assistant coach in 3 Super Bowls with the Cowboys (X, XII & XIII)

Was head coach in 3 Super Bowls with the Broncos (XXI, XXII & XXIV)

Was head coach in 1 Super Bowl with the Falcons (XXXIII)

So, Reeves has participated in 9 of the 50 Super Bowls as a player and coach. (Belichick has participated in 8)
 

tetelestai

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Once Ron Rivera and Gary Kubiak kick off Super Bowl 50, there will have been 53 head coaches to coach a Super Bowl.

Tet's Top 25 Super Bowl Coaches:

1) Bill Belichick (4-2)
2) Chuck Noll (4-0)
3) Bill Walsh (3-0)
4) Don Shula (2-4)
5) Tom Landry (2-3)
6) Joe Gibbs (3-1)
7) Vince Lombardi (2-0)
8) Bill Parcells (2-1)
9) Jimmy Johnson (2-0)
10) Tom Coughlin (2-0)
11) Mike Shanahan (2-0)
12) Tom Flores (2-0)
13) George Seifert (2-0)
14) Marv Levy (0-4)
15) Dan Reeves (0-4)
16) Bud Grant (0-4)
17) Hank Stram (1-1)
18) Bill Cowher (1-1)
19) Mike Tomlin (1-1)
20) Weeb Ewbank (1-0)
21) Mike Ditka (1-0)
22) Pete Carroll (1-1)
23) Dick Vermeil (1-1)
24) John Madden (1-0)
25) Mike Holmgren (1-2)
 

tetelestai

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Longest Super Bowl Champion drought by division:

17 years - AFC West
9 years - AFC South
6 years - NFC South
5 years - NFC North
4 years - NFC East
3 years - AFC North
2 years - NFC West
1 year - AFC East

The Broncos are in the AFC West. The AFC West has the longest drought, and hasn't won a Super Bowl since Elway and the Broncos won it in 1998.

Will the Broncos break the AFC West drought this year?
 

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Hall of Fame
11-15
(1977-1981)​

11. Oak 32, Min 14

Oak PF 25, PA 16.9
Min PF 21.8, PA 12.6
Line: Oak 4

The Raiders were up by 16 unanswered points by half time. They added sixteen more on the other side. The Vikings scored once in each of the final quarters to make it less embarrassing.


12. Dal 27, Den 10

What looked like a closer game wasn't in part because when offenses lean that heavily on the qb if he falters it's over. He faltered. It was over.

Dal PF 24.6, PA 15.1
Den PF 19.6, PA 12.6
Line: Dal 6


13. Pit 35, Dal 31

Pit PF 22.3, PA 10.1
Dal PF 24, PA 13
Line: Pit 3.5

A dogfight between two solid teams that played out entertainingly and as advertised. The slightly better defensive team beat the slightly better offensive team...slightly.


14. Rams 19, Pit 31

Another tale of four quarters. The first two belonged to the Rams, who were up 13-10 at the half. But it was 21-6 the other way once the Steelers regrouped. And that was that.

LA PF 20.2 PA 19.3
Pit PF 26 PA 16.4
Line: Pit 10.5


15. Oak 27, Phi 10

Philly was never in the game.

Oak PF 22.8, PA 19.1
Phi PF 24, PA 13.9
Line: Phi 3

Next up: 16-20
 
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The Berean

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Longest Super Bowl Champion drought by division:

17 years - AFC West
9 years - AFC South
6 years - NFC South
5 years - NFC North
4 years - NFC East
3 years - AFC North
2 years - NFC West
1 year - AFC East

The Broncos are in the AFC West. The AFC West has the longest drought, and hasn't won a Super Bowl since Elway and the Broncos won it in 1998.

Will the Broncos break the AFC West drought this year?

Since 1998 only the 2002 Raiders and 2013 Broncos have represented the AFC West in the Super Bowl and both teams got blown out.
 

Town Heretic

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Hall of Fame
16-20
(1982-1986)​


16. SF 26, Cin 21

SF PF 22.3, PA 15.6
Cin PF 26.3, PA 19
SL: pick

Two fairly evenly matched teams on paper in what turned into a fairly even game, though it didn't start out that way. Montana and company put twenty unanswered points up to take a commanding lead into halftime. The Bengals chipped away at it in the third, putting up their first score against a sputtering SF effort. Cincinnati scored first in the fourth to cut the lead to six points. SF managed two fg scoring drives to stretch the lead and the Bengals scored a td late to wrap the score.

Or, as NE oft said early on, kickers matter.


17. Mia 17, Was 27

Mia PF 22, PA 14.6
Was PF 21.1, PA 14.2
SL: Mia 3

Strike! And Washington will likely forever hold the distinction of getting its ring with the least effort. Nine games that year. It was 17-10 Miami at the half, but like Cin the year before they couldn't hold onto it as Washington scored another and unanswered 17 in the second half to win.


18. Was 9, Rai 38
Was PF 33.8, PA 20.8
Rai PF 27.6, PA 21.1
SL: Was 3

Hard one to figure. It remains the most points scored by an AFC team in the SB. Washington didn't rally from an 18 pt deficit at the half.


19. Mia 16, SF 38
Mia PF 32.1, PA 18.6
SF PF 29.7, PA 14.2
SL: SF 3.5

While a lot of attention was being lavished on the thunderbolt delivery of Dan Marino, the Niners brought an offense that was comparable and a tougher defense, so to anyone paying attention the writing was on the wall, if not that much writing. The only shocking thing about this SB is that it would mark the only time all-time great Marino would play in one.


20. Chi 46, NE 10
Chi PF 28.5, PA 12.4
NE PF 22.6, PA 18.1
SL: Chi 10

Speaking of less than riveting, one sided affairs, one of the most disappointing SBs in SB history, unless you were a fan of Chicago or blowouts. Also foreseeable, it not to the extent of the damage. It didn't help that the best offensive weapon for the Pats, Irving Fryer, was injured the night before the SB.

Next Up: 21-25
 
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