WizardofOz
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What makes them "liberal"? :idunno:
Such were some of you. Hot button topic being homosexuality.
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WizardofOz
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it's a good bet (not as skewed as I had expected)
That's Catholics in general. I'm sure the clergy consider themselves a bit more conservative that the layman. (No pun intended
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Actually, it is okay to be gay, as long as you don't engage in homosexual activity (sin). Just like it is okay to be an alcoholic, as long as you stay clean and sober, and it is okay to be a glutton as long as you eat modestly.
I have said this so many times I cannot remember: Due to our fallen natures were are all attracted to certain sins, be it sexual, gluttony, anger, of whatever. That is one of the results of Original Sin. We ALL are drawn to certain sins, all of us.
The Christian is called to grow in Christ and not commit those sins. And if we do stumble and sin, we get up, confess our sins, and get back into the race.
The homosexual is no different than the rest of us. Their particular weakness is same sex attraction. Their call is to chastity and Life in Christ, and to not commit their particular brand of sin.
The problem today is that society has told them that their sin is NOT a sin. THAT is the big problem
Now, that is the religious perspective. We next move on to the medical perspective.
Same sex attraction is a mental disorder. Period. The corrupt lying APA however removed it from the DSM and now says it is NOT a mental disorder. They are liars with a political agenda.
That is a thumbnail of the issue.
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:24-32 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans1:24-32&version=NKJV
No, it's not ok to be gay.
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. - Matthew 5:27-30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew5:27-30&version=NKJV
It's not ok to be gay.
It's not ok to be drunk.
It's not ok to be gay.
Argument from repetition is a logical fallacy.
None of this makes it ok to be gay.
The Christian is not called to do ANYTHING but rest, and to let Christ live through us.
To the extent you try to be righteous, is the extent that you have failed to give up your life to Christ.
God calls homosexuality an abomination.
There aren't many abominations named in the Bible, yet there are plenty of other sins.
So you agree that it's not ok to be gay?
So, you agree that it's not ok to be gay?
I'd temper that with this:
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. - Matthew 5:27-30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew5:27-30&version=NKJV
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You are totally wrong and you have no idea, apparently, that just being tempted by a sin is not itself a sin.
Once again: Due to our fallen natures were are all attracted to certain sins, be it sexual, gluttony, anger, of whatever. That is one of the results of Original Sin. We ALL are drawn to certain sins, all of us.
The Christian is called to grow in Christ and not commit those sins. And if we do stumble and sin, we get up, confess our sins, and get back into the race.
The homosexual is no different than the rest of us. Their particular weakness is same sex attraction. Their call is to chastity and Life in Christ, and to not commit their particular brand of sin.
Just BEING gay is not a sin. Its committing actual sinful acts that are sins. If a homosexual never has sex and never commits other related sins, then they do not sin.
What part of that don't you people get
You are totally wrong and you have no idea, apparently, that just being tempted by a sin is not itself a sin.
Once again: Due to our fallen natures were are all attracted to certain sins, be it sexual, gluttony, anger, of whatever. That is one of the results of Original Sin. We ALL are drawn to certain sins, all of us.
The Christian is called to grow in Christ and not commit those sins. And if we do stumble and sin, we get up, confess our sins, and get back into the race.
The homosexual is no different than the rest of us. Their particular weakness is same sex attraction. Their call is to chastity and Life in Christ, and to not commit their particular brand of sin.
Just BEING gay is not a sin. Its committing actual sinful acts that are sins. If a homosexual never has sex and never commits other related sins, then they do not sin.
What part of that don't you people get
I never said that!!! Learn how to read.
Put correctly: If you're not drinking to excess, you're not sinning. You are still an alcoholic, but you are not sinning. Get it?
If you do not commit the sin then you are not sinning. EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING has the temptation to sin within us, different ones for different people, INCLUDING YOU!
Are you evil because of the temptations insidef you? Because that is what you are saying about homosexuals
If you don't quote my post, I won't know when you're responding to my post or someone else's.
Me: *quotes Jesus saying that if a man lusts he has committed adultery in his heart*
CC: "You're wrong!"
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Hey, CC, maybe you shouldn't be saying that Jesus, the God of the Universe, is wrong when He says that if someone lusts after someone he has committed adultery in his heart, which means that it's not ok to be gay.
Repeating your argument does not invalidate my response. Please respond to my argument against yours with an appropriate response.
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“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. - Matthew 5:27-30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew5:27-30&version=NKJV
Sorry, Crusader, Jesus' words trump your beliefs.
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musterion
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If one starts playing the "it's alcoholism/it's a disease" game, one also has to allow for "sex addiction" when speaking of serial fornicators/adulterers and even rapists and child molesters. There's no biblical warrant for calling any sin a disease, the whole point of which is to excuse it out from under God's condemnation.
Sounds like an unnecessary distinction.
If you don't have sex with a boy, you're not a homo.
So I should call myself an alcoholic, despite having never been drunk, because I like the idea of drinking a whole lot?
What is natural and what is temptation?
Is it natural for a man to lust after a woman? And, if a person is tempted that is not sin unless they are allowing themselves to be tempted. Which means that a person may sin as a result of who they are which is not the person they are supposed to be. God can change the mind and the human heart both.
Is it natural for a man to lust after a woman? And, if a person is tempted that is not sin unless they are allowing themselves to be tempted. Which means that a person may sin as a result of who they are which is not the person they are supposed to be. God can change the mind and the human heart both.
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Only if you actually know you are one. I don't know what you should call yourself or what your particular weakness is. Do you have anger issues? Are you fat and a glutton? Do you steal stuff? Lie? Cheat? You have something going on, as do we all. The homosexual has same sex attraction going on. That is his cross to bear.
But as long as ALL of us do what is right in God's eyes, then we are all good, and if we slip, God will forgive us as long as we are truly repentant when we slip.
There are actually homosexuals out there who do realize they have a problem and they practice chastity. I say, God bless them. They are doing their best with a difficult issue.
Yes, it is natural to be attracted to a hot babe. Let's keep it real.
Yes, if you just sit there and continue to drool for ten minutes without pulling yourself away, then that too is a sin. Let's use a little common sense here.
But if you see a hot babe, feel that temptation, then pull yourself away, then you have not sinned. Likewise, if a homosexual is attracted to another man, then pulls himself away and remembers his Life in Christ, then he has not sinned.
If an alcoholic feels like drinking, then calls his sponsor right away and talks and gets past it, then he is a brave man and he has not sinned.
Come on guys, this is not rocket science.
There is getting better than where you are at now and not having an issue with anything anymore. So I would say that freedom from sin and temptation is better than bondage to them.
I am not talking about engaging temptation. I am not talking about being attracted visually. I am talking about the word natural because it drives home the point that homosexuality is not natural. You may still be tempted heterosexually or as a heterosexual. Or just a man attracted to a woman. But you may need help from God with it. In a way it is not natural to be tempted, but in a way it is. Is it natural to sin? Sin and temptation.
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Sure.
Like I say, I think you're making an unnecessary distinction.