'Stalin-like' Cover-up of Ocasio-Cortez's Green Stupidity

[Catholic Crusader]

Pounce: Ocasio-Cortez botched the 'Green New Deal' rollout, so the New York Times went after Republicans
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-so-the-new-york-times-went-after-republicans

It never fails. You can almost set your watch to it.

If a Democrat does or says something incredibly, perhaps irredeemably, stupid or vicious, you can bet good money major newsrooms will ignore it for as long as it takes for their reporters to make the story about the supposed conservative overreaction. To be clear, the problem with the “Republicans pounce” trope isn’t merely that newsrooms report on the conservative reaction. Reaction articles are fine! The issue is that newsrooms often won’t touch a story that reflect poorly on Democrats at all until it can be made into something broader about how Republicans and conservatives are supposedly exploiting the moment.

Call it the “Republicans pounce” or “Republicans seize” trope.

This weekend, for example, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., lied about the rollout of her preposterous "Green New Deal,” which included the circulation of numerous “frequently asked questions” sheets.

The FAQs pages from her office claimed, among other things, that the "GND" aims to lower fossil fuel emissions to “net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The FAQs also boasted that the House resolution would provide “economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work.” Neither cow farts nor “unwilling to work” are included in the actual resolution co-sponsored by more than 100 Democratic lawmakers.

The FAQs were rightly ridiculed and mocked by critics, and even supporters, of Ocasio-Cortez’s proposal. But rather than own up to authoring the ludicrous documents, the congresswoman and her team initially denied all involvement, alleging instead a vast right-wing disinformation campaign.......(SNIP)

 

[The Horn]

Stalin, Mao , Castro and Pol Pot were totalitarian dictators . There was nothing even remotely liberal about them . Totalitarian government is the exact opposite of liberalism . So is Trump's right-wing extremist fascism .

 

[ok doser]

Stalin, Mao , Castro and Pol Pot were totalitarian dictators...

who embraced socialism and its crazy aunt locked in the attic, communism

Totalitarian government is the exact opposite of liberalism .

this thread is about AOC, who embraces socialism

 

[jgarden]

'Stalin-like' Cover-up of Ocasio-Cortez's Green Stupidity

- 'Stalin-like'

- Stupidity

- crazy aunt locked in the attic

- communism

- 1984 technique

- as moderate as Hitler

If "Ocasio-Cortez" and the "Green New Deal" were that far out of the political mainstream, why have conservatives decided to bring out the "heavy artillery" by resorting to a series of personal attacks - where is their faith that the American people will eventually come to the same conclusions without resorting to the "name calling" and "character assassination?"

What we are witnessing reflects more on the unseemly behaviour of those condemning Ocasio-Cortez/Green New Deal, than their intended targets!

 

[ok doser]

If "Ocasio-Cortez" and the "Green New Deal" were that far out of the political mainstream

they are - even pelosi distanced herself from it

i clipped the rest of your retarded whining :baby:

 

[genuineoriginal]

Stalin, Mao , Castro and Pol Pot were totalitarian dictators . There was nothing even remotely liberal about them . Totalitarian government is the exact opposite of liberalism .

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation. As Mises showed, to cope with such unintended effects of its price controls, the government must either abolish the price controls or add further measures, namely, precisely the control over what is produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it is distributed, which I referred to earlier. The combination of price controls with this further set of controls constitutes the de facto socialization of the economic system. For it means that the government then exercises all of the substantive powers of ownership. This was the socialism instituted by the Nazis. And Mises calls it socialism on the German or Nazi pattern, in contrast to the more obvious socialism of the Soviets, which he calls socialism on the Russian or Bolshevik pattern. The requirements of enforcing a system of price and wage controls shed major light on the totalitarian nature of socialism — most obviously, of course, on that of the German or Nazi variant of socialism, but also on that of Soviet-style socialism as well. the requirements merely of enforcing price-control regulations is the adoption of essential features of a totalitarian state, namely, the establishment of the category of "economic crimes," in which the peaceful pursuit of material self-interest is treated as a criminal offense, and the establishment of a totalitarian police apparatus replete with spies and informers and the power of arbitrary arrest and imprisonment. Clearly, the enforcement of price controls requires a government similar to that of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia, in which practically anyone might turn out to be a police spy and in which a secret police exists and has the power to arrest and imprison people. If the government is unwilling to go to such lengths, then, to that extent, its price controls prove unenforceable and simply break down. Every day of his life, the citizen of a socialist state must spend time in endless waiting lines. For him, the problems Americans experienced in the gasoline shortages of the 1970s are normal; only he does not experience them in relation to gasoline — for he does not own a car and has no hope of ever owning one — but in relation to simple items of clothing, to vegetables, even to bread. Even worse he is frequently forced to work at a job that is not of his choice and which he therefore must certainly hate. It follows that the rulers of a socialist state must live in terror of the people. By the logic of their actions and their teachings, the boiling, seething resentment of the people should well up and swallow them in an orgy of bloody vengeance. The rulers sense this, even if they do not admit it openly; and thus their major concern is always to keep the lid on the citizenry. socialism goes far beyond the mere lack of freedom of press and speech. A socialist government totally annihilates these freedoms. It turns the press and every public forum into a vehicle of hysterical propaganda in its own behalf, and it engages in the relentless persecution of everyone who dares to deviate by so much as an inch from its official party line.

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[TrumpTrainCA]

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation. As Mises showed, to cope with such unintended effects of its price controls, the government must either abolish the price controls or add further measures, namely, precisely the control over what is produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it is distributed, which I referred to earlier. The combination of price controls with this further set of controls constitutes the de facto socialization of the economic system. For it means that the government then exercises all of the substantive powers of ownership. This was the socialism instituted by the Nazis. And Mises calls it socialism on the German or Nazi pattern, in contrast to the more obvious socialism of the Soviets, which he calls socialism on the Russian or Bolshevik pattern. The requirements of enforcing a system of price and wage controls shed major light on the totalitarian nature of socialism — most obviously, of course, on that of the German or Nazi variant of socialism, but also on that of Soviet-style socialism as well. the requirements merely of enforcing price-control regulations is the adoption of essential features of a totalitarian state, namely, the establishment of the category of "economic crimes," in which the peaceful pursuit of material self-interest is treated as a criminal offense, and the establishment of a totalitarian police apparatus replete with spies and informers and the power of arbitrary arrest and imprisonment. Clearly, the enforcement of price controls requires a government similar to that of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia, in which practically anyone might turn out to be a police spy and in which a secret police exists and has the power to arrest and imprison people. If the government is unwilling to go to such lengths, then, to that extent, its price controls prove unenforceable and simply break down. Every day of his life, the citizen of a socialist state must spend time in endless waiting lines. For him, the problems Americans experienced in the gasoline shortages of the 1970s are normal; only he does not experience them in relation to gasoline — for he does not own a car and has no hope of ever owning one — but in relation to simple items of clothing, to vegetables, even to bread. Even worse he is frequently forced to work at a job that is not of his choice and which he therefore must certainly hate. It follows that the rulers of a socialist state must live in terror of the people. By the logic of their actions and their teachings, the boiling, seething resentment of the people should well up and swallow them in an orgy of bloody vengeance. The rulers sense this, even if they do not admit it openly; and thus their major concern is always to keep the lid on the citizenry. socialism goes far beyond the mere lack of freedom of press and speech. A socialist government totally annihilates these freedoms. It turns the press and every public forum into a vehicle of hysterical propaganda in its own behalf, and it engages in the relentless persecution of everyone who dares to deviate by so much as an inch from its official party line.

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Mege-dittos

 

[aikido7]

“...powered by unicorn tears, yes,” Cotton said.

Another GOP statesman.

 

[aikido7]

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation. As Mises showed, to cope with such unintended effects of its price controls, the government must either abolish the price controls or add further measures, namely, precisely the control over what is produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it is distributed, which I referred to earlier. The combination of price controls with this further set of controls constitutes the de facto socialization of the economic system. For it means that the government then exercises all of the substantive powers of ownership. This was the socialism instituted by the Nazis. And Mises calls it socialism on the German or Nazi pattern, in contrast to the more obvious socialism of the Soviets, which he calls socialism on the Russian or Bolshevik pattern. The requirements of enforcing a system of price and wage controls shed major light on the totalitarian nature of socialism — most obviously, of course, on that of the German or Nazi variant of socialism, but also on that of Soviet-style socialism as well. the requirements merely of enforcing price-control regulations is the adoption of essential features of a totalitarian state, namely, the establishment of the category of "economic crimes," in which the peaceful pursuit of material self-interest is treated as a criminal offense, and the establishment of a totalitarian police apparatus replete with spies and informers and the power of arbitrary arrest and imprisonment. Clearly, the enforcement of price controls requires a government similar to that of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia, in which practically anyone might turn out to be a police spy and in which a secret police exists and has the power to arrest and imprison people. If the government is unwilling to go to such lengths, then, to that extent, its price controls prove unenforceable and simply break down. Every day of his life, the citizen of a socialist state must spend time in endless waiting lines. For him, the problems Americans experienced in the gasoline shortages of the 1970s are normal; only he does not experience them in relation to gasoline — for he does not own a car and has no hope of ever owning one — but in relation to simple items of clothing, to vegetables, even to bread. Even worse he is frequently forced to work at a job that is not of his choice and which he therefore must certainly hate. It follows that the rulers of a socialist state must live in terror of the people. By the logic of their actions and their teachings, the boiling, seething resentment of the people should well up and swallow them in an orgy of bloody vengeance. The rulers sense this, even if they do not admit it openly; and thus their major concern is always to keep the lid on the citizenry. socialism goes far beyond the mere lack of freedom of press and speech. A socialist government totally annihilates these freedoms. It turns the press and every public forum into a vehicle of hysterical propaganda in its own behalf, and it engages in the relentless persecution of everyone who dares to deviate by so much as an inch from its official party line.

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Our postal system, our police & fire departments, our military, the highway system, libraries, the GI bill, bridges, garbage collection, congressional health care, public schools, our prison system, all elected government officials, etc.

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

ALLITEMS ABOVE BUILT ON A SOCIALIST MODEL.

 

[ok doser]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

well, no

so·cial·ism Dictionary result for socialism /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ noun noun: socialism a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

[aikido7]

well, no

so·cial·ism Dictionary result for socialism /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ noun noun: socialism a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

I absolutely agree.
“All for One and One for All.”

"And all who believed were together and had all things in common....”
--Acts 2:44

 

[genuineoriginal]

Our postal system, our police & fire departments, our military, the highway system, libraries, the GI bill, bridges, garbage collection, congressional health care, public schools, our prison system, all elected government officials, etc.

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

ALLITEMS ABOVE BUILT ON A SOCIALIST MODEL.

Not at all.
Government control of infrastructure and public services is not Socialism.

socialism any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods a system of society or group living in which there is no private property a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

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[The Horn]

The so-called "green new deal " is nothing but a proposal . It's a very long way from being implemented . Some of it may be unrealistic but it does have some really good ideas .
Trump's idiotic plans for America to rely on fossil fuels are infinitely worse and will do infinitely more damage to America and the world .

 

[aikido7]

It’s a proposal, not a fixed deal.

 

[aikido7]

Not at all.
Government control of infrastructure and public services is not Socialism.

socialism any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods a system of society or group living in which there is no private property a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

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We're all "infrastructure socialists" to some extent, the question is what kind of infrastructure socialism will give us the most efficient and competitive broadband market.

If you’re one of those who says you wouldn’t support a socialist for elective government, you’re too late.

Most of you already have and do, and democratic socialism in the United States for a very long time.

The reality is that there are many “social” programs available to our citizens, and most of them make us collectively a lot better off than we would be if they didn’t exist. Most retirees collect Social Security and can see a doctor because they are covered by Medicare. Most of our citizens were educated in Public Schools at least through High School at which point the “free markets” take over education.

Our water is cleaned and made safe for us by government agencies. Capitalism was responsible for poisoning Flint Michigan with water that is unfit to drink.

There are no private fire departments for the public. If your house is on fire, or you need emergency medical assistance, a social program provides that for you regardless of whether you are wealthy or not.

The wealthy class do not want us to have these social programs, because having them reduces the power that the 1% have over us. If “America” wasn’t heavily Socialist in nature, we would be a third world country with dirt roads, people living in tents, mostly working in fields with primitive farming implements, barely growing enough to barely scrape by.

Capitalism serves the wealthy and no one else. Socialism makes it possible for average people to have a decent life. It is really just that simple.

The means of production involves farm to floor, the resources, the factories, the distribution, the infrastructural backbone (roads, rails, air, and every single thing involved), the stores, etc.

Socialism and public infrastructure work together. The existence of privately created and owned infrastructure would not easily be confused with socialism.

Socialism, as it is usually defined, is not merely an occasional example of public ownership, but public ownership of the means of production specifically (factories, etc.), with corresponding prohibition of private ownership in the means of production.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The so-called "green new deal " is nothing but a proposal . It's a very long way from being implemented . Some of it may be unrealistic but it does have some really good ideas .

 

[ok doser]

the autobahn! :thumb:

 

[genuineoriginal]

Socialism makes it possible for average people to have a decent life. It is really just that simple.

 

[ok doser]

Socialism makes it possible for average people to have a decent life.

unless you're an average ukrainian in the 30's

Spoiler

or an average chinese farmer under mao's great leap forward

or an average cambodian under pol pot

 

[aikido7]

The disappearing middle class.
Rising inequality.
The hysterical focus on producing more and more merchandise--an example of unsustainability.
Inherently exploitative.
Economic inequality.
Destruction of human rights.
Encourages war.

USA, USA, USA

To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle.