You sure you didn't live in California? :chuckle: We weren't allowed to use the bunsen burners because someone used them to make bongs and pipes about five years before I was in Chemistry. :chuckle:
Southern Baptists Call For Kids To Be Pulled From School
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You sure you didn't live in California? :chuckle: We weren't allowed to use the bunsen burners because someone used them to make bongs and pipes about five years before I was in Chemistry. :chuckle:
Okay. Firechyld, let me show the difference between public schools when I was a child and public schools when my daughter was old enough, in California.
In 1974, I started kindergarten already knowing how to read, write, and do basic math. I also knew my colors and how to count to one hundred. I had either taught myself or been taught by a babysitter all of this before I was four years old. And, I didn't start kindergarten until I was almost six.
In 1995, my daughter started kindergarten in a private school already knowing how to read at a fifth or sixth grade level, how to write in cursive (not printing) any word you gave her, and knowing how to multiply and divide. Although I place a very high emphasis on learning throughout life, I cannot take credit for any of this. My daughter taught herself all of this before she was four. And, she did not start kindergarten until she was almost six.
Now, when I was in school, the teachers looked at what I could do and adjusted my work accordingly. When something was too easy for me, they would give me something harder or assign me to help students that were having problems understanding the work. My entire school life was pretty much like this until I graduated high school.
My daughter's experience was completely different. She was not allowed to get harder work and was told to, "Sit down, shut up, and not bother anyone," by the teacher.
My husband and I talked to the principal about this and they switched her to another class. Things went a little better. Whenever my daughter finished her work, the teacher would give her a book to read (usually an encyclopedia). By the time she finished kindergarten, she had finished the entire set of Encyclopedia Britanica.
In first grade, I never heard a word from the teacher about my daughter doing anything wrong until the last two weeks of school. But, everyday, she would come home and tell me that the work was too easy and that the teacher made her read whenever she finished her work early. The last two weeks of the school year, her teacher started telling me that :jessilu: was having a problem focussing on things after she was finished with her work. :doh: What do you expect? She had read every book in the classroom and was bored to tears. I sat in on a class because the teacher would not quit complaining. What I saw cleared up the whole thing to me. :jessilu: finished her work for the entire day by the time she was in school for two hours. The teacher pulled out their reading book and started asking questions about the story they were assigned. :jessilu: raised her hand to answer every question and the teacher would turn her back on her and get the answer from another child. I asked the teacher about it and she said that she didn't believe that :jessilu: had really read the story so she wouldn't choose her. So, I borrowed the teacher's book to ask the same questions she had asked the class. :jessilu: answered every one of them correctly. The teacher shrugged her shoulders and walked out of the room. I went to the principal's office and withdrew my daughter from that school immediately. I was not going to allow my husband to pay what he was for a teacher to treat my daughter the way this one did.
We basically fooled around for the last two weeks of school and for the summer. Then, we decided to try public school for second grade. That lasted all of one month. By the end of the month, the teacher told me that I shouldn't have allowed my daughter to learn to read before she completed kindergarten and suggested that I homeschool her because public schools could not deal with children that intelligent.
That is why I started homeschooling. It's turned into a moral/religious thing over the years as I've seen schools wherever I've been get more and more violent and heard of kids getting more disrespectful to adults and to each other.
During that first year of homeschooling, I was scared to death. I did not think that I was qualified to teach my daughter. She wanted to learn things that I had never learned about in school. When she wanted to learn about geology (which I had never bothered learning about in my life), my husband and I hired a tutor for her. When she wanted to learn astronomy, I looked into online classes.
I can tell you now, that as far as what she has to have in order to get into a college, I can teach her pretty much everything. I took AP classes in high school and, believe it or not, I remember everything I learned. I pretty much have a photographic memory. I read encyclopedias to relax. I can teach her math from algebra to calculus and science from physical science to physics. I can teach her all four years of English and literature, history, and music. I can teach her Spanish because I pretty much grew up in a Spanish-speaking area. It's almost a second language to me. I can buy lab equipment and dissecting samples from a school supply dealer.
If I get stuck or she wants to learn something that I know absolutely nothing about, I will hire a tutor. Right now, she's talking about wanting to learn welding and auto repair. I am not mechanically inclined at all. But, I've already talked to a few mechanics and have three who are willing to take her on as an apprentice as soon as she turns fifteen (legal working age here). If she wants to learn more about art, there are art classes with the college or the YMCA. If she wants to go into a sport, I'll have to go through the county if possible. For physical education, she has horseback riding right now. We may go back into karate later.
Did I answer your questions? I don't know if these answers are good enough for you. But, they're all I have for you. You don't have to homeschool for religious reasons. God knows that's not why I started homeschooling. Homeschooled children, in my opinion, tend to be smarter and more respectful than public schooled children. They tend to be able to get along well with all age groups as opposed to the group they're stuck with for six hours a day, one hundred eighty days a year.
In 1974, I started kindergarten already knowing how to read, write, and do basic math. I also knew my colors and how to count to one hundred. I had either taught myself or been taught by a babysitter all of this before I was four years old. And, I didn't start kindergarten until I was almost six.
In 1995, my daughter started kindergarten in a private school already knowing how to read at a fifth or sixth grade level, how to write in cursive (not printing) any word you gave her, and knowing how to multiply and divide. Although I place a very high emphasis on learning throughout life, I cannot take credit for any of this. My daughter taught herself all of this before she was four. And, she did not start kindergarten until she was almost six.
Now, when I was in school, the teachers looked at what I could do and adjusted my work accordingly. When something was too easy for me, they would give me something harder or assign me to help students that were having problems understanding the work. My entire school life was pretty much like this until I graduated high school.
My daughter's experience was completely different. She was not allowed to get harder work and was told to, "Sit down, shut up, and not bother anyone," by the teacher.
My husband and I talked to the principal about this and they switched her to another class. Things went a little better. Whenever my daughter finished her work, the teacher would give her a book to read (usually an encyclopedia). By the time she finished kindergarten, she had finished the entire set of Encyclopedia Britanica.
In first grade, I never heard a word from the teacher about my daughter doing anything wrong until the last two weeks of school. But, everyday, she would come home and tell me that the work was too easy and that the teacher made her read whenever she finished her work early. The last two weeks of the school year, her teacher started telling me that :jessilu: was having a problem focussing on things after she was finished with her work. :doh: What do you expect? She had read every book in the classroom and was bored to tears. I sat in on a class because the teacher would not quit complaining. What I saw cleared up the whole thing to me. :jessilu: finished her work for the entire day by the time she was in school for two hours. The teacher pulled out their reading book and started asking questions about the story they were assigned. :jessilu: raised her hand to answer every question and the teacher would turn her back on her and get the answer from another child. I asked the teacher about it and she said that she didn't believe that :jessilu: had really read the story so she wouldn't choose her. So, I borrowed the teacher's book to ask the same questions she had asked the class. :jessilu: answered every one of them correctly. The teacher shrugged her shoulders and walked out of the room. I went to the principal's office and withdrew my daughter from that school immediately. I was not going to allow my husband to pay what he was for a teacher to treat my daughter the way this one did.
We basically fooled around for the last two weeks of school and for the summer. Then, we decided to try public school for second grade. That lasted all of one month. By the end of the month, the teacher told me that I shouldn't have allowed my daughter to learn to read before she completed kindergarten and suggested that I homeschool her because public schools could not deal with children that intelligent.
That is why I started homeschooling. It's turned into a moral/religious thing over the years as I've seen schools wherever I've been get more and more violent and heard of kids getting more disrespectful to adults and to each other.
During that first year of homeschooling, I was scared to death. I did not think that I was qualified to teach my daughter. She wanted to learn things that I had never learned about in school. When she wanted to learn about geology (which I had never bothered learning about in my life), my husband and I hired a tutor for her. When she wanted to learn astronomy, I looked into online classes.
I can tell you now, that as far as what she has to have in order to get into a college, I can teach her pretty much everything. I took AP classes in high school and, believe it or not, I remember everything I learned. I pretty much have a photographic memory. I read encyclopedias to relax. I can teach her math from algebra to calculus and science from physical science to physics. I can teach her all four years of English and literature, history, and music. I can teach her Spanish because I pretty much grew up in a Spanish-speaking area. It's almost a second language to me. I can buy lab equipment and dissecting samples from a school supply dealer.
If I get stuck or she wants to learn something that I know absolutely nothing about, I will hire a tutor. Right now, she's talking about wanting to learn welding and auto repair. I am not mechanically inclined at all. But, I've already talked to a few mechanics and have three who are willing to take her on as an apprentice as soon as she turns fifteen (legal working age here). If she wants to learn more about art, there are art classes with the college or the YMCA. If she wants to go into a sport, I'll have to go through the county if possible. For physical education, she has horseback riding right now. We may go back into karate later.
Did I answer your questions? I don't know if these answers are good enough for you. But, they're all I have for you. You don't have to homeschool for religious reasons. God knows that's not why I started homeschooling. Homeschooled children, in my opinion, tend to be smarter and more respectful than public schooled children. They tend to be able to get along well with all age groups as opposed to the group they're stuck with for six hours a day, one hundred eighty days a year.
firechyld
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Thanks, Nori. That was really thorough. 
It's all theoretical at the moment, since I have no immediate plans to breed. However, I have considered homeschooling... I'm hoping to get into faculty and research, so it might fit in well with my lifestyle. My main aversion was that most homeschoolers seem to homeschool because of religious reasons, and I wouldn't want to unintentionally force my child into a religious clique... especially one I don't adhere to!
I had similar problems to your daughter in primary school... high school was slightly better, but the damage had been done.
It's all theoretical at the moment, since I have no immediate plans to breed. However, I have considered homeschooling... I'm hoping to get into faculty and research, so it might fit in well with my lifestyle. My main aversion was that most homeschoolers seem to homeschool because of religious reasons, and I wouldn't want to unintentionally force my child into a religious clique... especially one I don't adhere to!
I had similar problems to your daughter in primary school... high school was slightly better, but the damage had been done.
Originally posted by firechyld
Thanks, Nori. That was really thorough.
It's all theoretical at the moment, since I have no immediate plans to breed. However, I have considered homeschooling... I'm hoping to get into faculty and research, so it might fit in well with my lifestyle. My main aversion was that most homeschoolers seem to homeschool because of religious reasons, and I wouldn't want to unintentionally force my child into a religious clique... especially one I don't adhere to!
I had similar problems to your daughter in primary school... high school was slightly better, but the damage had been done.
You're welcome.
As you can tell, this subject is near and dear to me. There is a newsgroup with google groups (used to be with deja) called misc.education.home-school.misc. The people on that list are from all walks of life and pretty much all religious backgrounds (wiccan, atheist, Christian, etc). If you have any questions about homeschooling, I'm sure you'll be able to get help there if I can't help you out.
Oh my! Yes. She's got friends that she met when I taught Spanish at a private school here. And, she meets kids at the library. And, there are all of our neighbors' kids.
She rides horses at one of my neighbors' house. He likes to have the kids and their parents come over on the weekends (this is the neighbor who supplies us with fresh venison every winter). :chuckle: We live around the corner from a Girl Scout camp. So, every summer, she meets a new bunch of girls that go camping there. The Girl Scout leaders usually ask her to teach the girls how to hunt crawdads or something similar. Our dogs help her make friends as well. We have three collies. And, out here, everyone loves collies. So, people will stop as they're driving down our road to ask about them. Then, there are also the girls that she's met from TOL.
Originally posted by firechyld
I think I'll leave the actual research until I'm at lease planning to have a child, but you've put the seed in my head.
I love homeschooling my daughter! I've seen how so many girls the same age "hate" their mothers. :jessilu: and I are much closer. And, the one-on-one teacher/student ration is better in my opinion.
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Nineveh, I sense the rustle of the "wind of change." God may be about answering prayers. 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Public Education has been the delivery system for the poison of Secular Humanism for over 100 years. Look around and see the result, moral perversity and social chaos.
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Nineveh, I sense the rustle of the "wind of change." God may be about answering prayers. 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Public Education has been the delivery system for the poison of Secular Humanism for over 100 years. Look around and see the result, moral perversity and social chaos.
Nineveh
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If TOL had a vote today, you would be my first choice in the "eternally optimisitc" catagory I hope the trend to break kids out of fed school continues, but here in Indiana, the more kids that flee the fed, the more "in debt" they seem to be and the more kindergarten programs they seem to want.
Amen.
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If TOL had a vote today, you would be my first choice in the "eternally optimisitc" catagory
I hope the trend to break kids out of fed school continues, but here in Indiana, the more kids that flee the fed, the more "in debt" they seem to be and the more kindergarten programs they seem to want.Amen.
Christine
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Thanks
oly: here are some more sites. www.abeka.com publishes homeschooling curriculum for all 12 grades plus kindergarten and pre-school. They also offer correspondence programs. http://www.highschoolscience.com/ publishes high school, junior high, and even some elementary science books. (I use this one and think it's great). http://www.bju.edu/index also publishes homeschool curriculum and textbooks, but I think they offer more electives than Abeka (I've never used BJU, but others on TOL have). www.sonlight.com is really neat, you use children's book as the reading and history texts. www.christianbook.com sells homeschooling materials, some at discount prices.Jesus Lives!
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Thanks so much! I will copy this and look into it soon. I have thought about this for a few years but now that this report from the Southern Baptist has come out I am thinking about it more. I will be praying about it. Thanks again!
My ex-roomate in college was homeschooled. One of the smartest, most educated guys I ever knew. Both of his parents were highly educated, the father had advanced degrees in math and literature (the guy was a playwright) and the mother had a degree in English and education. He finished his high school curriculum super early and went to college at the age of 16.
My own parents didn't have the means to homeschool me or to send me to a private school, so I got a public education. Not that that's a bad thing - my public school had tons of opportinties - I joined the track, badminton and swim teams, math, science, english, and national honor societies, attended national competitions in TSA (technology student association) and took and passed 10 AP classes, good for 30 college credits (a full year!)
Like anything else, public school is what you make of it. There are plenty of opportunites for the motivated to get ahead and advance themselves, as there are plenty of opportunities for the apathetic/lost to dig themselves ever deeper into a hole. Much like the real world.
My own parents didn't have the means to homeschool me or to send me to a private school, so I got a public education. Not that that's a bad thing - my public school had tons of opportinties - I joined the track, badminton and swim teams, math, science, english, and national honor societies, attended national competitions in TSA (technology student association) and took and passed 10 AP classes, good for 30 college credits (a full year!)
Like anything else, public school is what you make of it. There are plenty of opportunites for the motivated to get ahead and advance themselves, as there are plenty of opportunities for the apathetic/lost to dig themselves ever deeper into a hole. Much like the real world.
cur_deus_homo
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If we Christians were truly raising strong, mature Christian children, grounded in faith in Jesus, we wouldn't have to worry about the Secular Humanist Devil corrupting our children as you suggest. Christians would be influencing the public arena in positive ways instead of claiming that some kind of retreat to the ghetto of the "church" is the solution. Such a retreat is anti-Christ and anti-Great Commission.
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Any damage done is the responsibility of Christian parents who want to shelter their children from the real world, which is not Christian, and it is also their responsibility because many Christian parents do a horrible job discipling their children and training them in the ways of righteousness, including members of the SBC.
If we Christians were truly raising strong, mature Christian children, grounded in faith in Jesus, we wouldn't have to worry about the Secular Humanist Devil corrupting our children as you suggest. Christians would be influencing the public arena in positive ways instead of claiming that some kind of retreat to the ghetto of the "church" is the solution. Such a retreat is anti-Christ and anti-Great Commission.
JoyfulRook
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Go Baptist Pastor! :bannana: :clap:
JoyfulRook
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So you if living in Israel during the Biblical times, you would send your kids to the Philistine school down the road? Smart. :chuckle: BTW: The Great Commission was for Israel, not the Body.