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Yep, I've never argued with that.
I would hope not as 1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV and 2 Corinthians 5:19-21 KJV is why we are here!
Yep, I've never argued with that.
Obeying the "commandments" has nothing to do with being "children of the light". Those IN CHRIST are in the LIGHT.
Obeying the "commandments" has nothing to do with being "children of the light". Those IN CHRIST are in the LIGHT.
Paul didn't tell him to DO anything, but to BELIEVE!
Yes, it's simple to show them, but that certainly doesn't mean they will see....or even want to see. There has to be a need that is recognized by the one being shown. First the person has to realize they are drowning.....
You can show anyone their need for the Saviour, and the gospel of Christ by the scriptures. It takes a moment and can save them for eternity!
Yep, I've never argued with that.
I would hope not as 1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV and 2 Corinthians 5:19-21 KJV is why we are here!
You sir, do not believe Paul. One cannot very well depart from the faith if they were never in the faith to begin with.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
That still doesn't change the fact that they are saved and sealed.
If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth (1 John 1:6)
So it is possible for us to CLAIM to have fellowship with him while we are walking in darkness but John says if we did that claim would be a lie. The word "walk" in Hebrew is "halacha." It was a term that refers to how we conduct our lives before God. I have heard Rabbinical students using the term this way even today. Therefore when John talks about walking in the light or walking in the darkness he is talking about our choices and conduct which,we know, reflects the focus of our heart. In the language of the Bible Light and darkness are not merely referring to something existential but it has moral implications. To say we can be in the light no matter what we do is incompatible with the language of the scriptures.
And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
(1 John 2:3)
I do not have to strain at keeping the commandments as long as I walk in the Spirit. If I am knowing Him (by experience) I will find myself doing them.
Paul whom some call the "Apostle of Grace" commanded believers to obey what Jesus called the Greatest Command.
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Romans 13:8)
Paul was not against the moral Law just against our trying to do it, just our trying to be righteous in our own strength.
James agrees with the supremacy of what he called "The Royal Law"
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. (James 2:8)
John lays it out in uncompromising terms:
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. (I John 4:7-8)
First you say they were never in the faith in the first place. Then you say they were and that they LEFT but they are still sealed. You can't have it both ways.
You are using the word do in the sense of doing a meritorious work but do also represents an act of the will. In that sense Paul most definitely called men to make choices - specifically the choice to believe in Christ. Inextricably bound in making Christ your God is departing from false Gods. Repentance from dead works and Faith towards God are two sides of the same coin.
I am saying this because some in your camp have said the difference between Paul and Peter is that Peter preached repentance. After checking it out I have found that Paul did also whether he always mentioned it or not.
So do you believe that when a person is saved then he automatically becomes dead to sin?
If your answer is "yes" then please tell me the source of the defilement which can come upon Christians in the following verse:
"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor.7:1).
If your answer is "yes" then tell us why Paul would tell Christians to put to death the things which belong to out earthly nature:
"Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry" (Col.3:5).
If this happens upon salvation automatically it would make no sense for Paul to tell that to the saved.
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You are using the word repentance......
Repentance is a change of mind. A change of mind for the Jews, who believed in God but trusted in their works, is different from repentance for the gentiles which is a change of mind from unbelief to belief. That's why you see a difference between Peter's preaching of repentance and Paul's.
True believers will always have the truth within them:
"The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever" (2 Jn.1:1-2).
If you really think that a true believer can ever stop believing then you obviously do not have true faith.
Jerry S. is a pain in the neck. I don't like that guy!
A change of mind for the Jew's, has little to do with what they believe about there work's.You are using the word repentance......
Repentance is a change of mind. A change of mind for the Jews, who believed in God but trusted in their works, is different from repentance for the gentiles which is a change of mind from unbelief to belief. That's why you see a difference between Peter's preaching of repentance and Paul's.
This statement needs further clarification?
A change of mind for the Jew's, has little to do with what they believe about there work's.
Glory, of course I accept everything in the Scripture --I'm only saying that what Jew's or anybody believe's about there work's, is of minor importance, compared with repenting of not believing in Jesus (John 3:18 KJV).I think it does.Romans 10:10
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
You are using the word repentance......
Repentance is a change of mind. A change of mind for the Jews, who believed in God but trusted in their works, is different from repentance for the gentiles which is a change of mind from unbelief to belief. That's why you see a difference between Peter's preaching of repentance and Paul's.
Glory, of course I accept everything in the Scripture --I'm only saying that what Jew's or anybody believe's about there work's, is of minor importance, compared with repenting of not believing in Jesus (John 3:18 KJV).
We agree here, right? I mean, we'd agree that two people, 1 of whom believe's that they need to obey Jesus, and another who does not --that the 1st person --if they also believe in Jesus --will enter the kingdom before the second, if the second person does not believe in Jesus --right?
DJ
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Well, I can agree that unbelievers aren't saved. :thumb: