ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Well, maybe BarbieI don't think anybody was dimwitted enough to believe that I was really a big purple dinosaur.
Well, maybe BarbieI don't think anybody was dimwitted enough to believe that I was really a big purple dinosaur.
That is just about 10,000% better than your first attempt!You did not ask me WHY God said it now did you?
Now that you have asked I will be glad to respond.
In 1 Timothy 2:12-14 we read one of the reasons...........
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.”
Paul says that women are forbidden to teach or exercise authority over men in the church. It’s important to understand that Paul does not prohibit women from teaching in all contexts, only from teaching the Bible to men in the church.
Notice that Paul prohibits women from doing two distinct things.
First, women may not teach the Bible to men in the church.
Second, women may not exercise authority over men in the church.
Teaching and exercising authority in the church are the two primary responsibilities of elders, pastors, or bishops. Thus, women are not to hold the office of pastor, but neither are they to perform these particular functions of a pastor over men in the church.
So then to respond to YOU......WHY is that the case????
#1.
The creation order is the first reason Paul gives for prohibiting women from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul doesn’t ground his command in cultural considerations or a particular problem with the women in the Ephesian church. Rather, he grounds his command in creation. He says that the reason women are not to teach or exercise authority over men in the church is that, “Adam was formed first, then Eve”. Paul means that God established Adam as the head and authority of his wife, Eve. God designed men to lead. That equals Federal Headship or Authority.
#2. The nature of women is the second reason Paul gives for prohibiting them from teaching or exercising authority in the church.
Paul says, “Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor” (1 Tim 2:14).
Paul is saying something about the natural constitution of men and women, that men as a class are naturally more fitted to teach and have authority in the church, but women are not. Wayne Grudem says, “This is by far the most common viewpoint in the history of the interpretation of this passage”.
Source: (Evangelical Feminism & Biblical Truth 70).
But why are women naturally more likely to be deceived than men? It’s true that not all women are more likely to be deceived than all men. And it’s true that some men are more likely to be deceived than some women. But most interpreters in the history of the church have understood this passage to teach that, in general, women are more likely to be deceived than men.
Does that answer your question?
I've made the mistake of thinking someone was a girl instead of a guy and vice versa on this forum more than once. It's an understandable mistake.For quite a while I was using this one or something like it. I don't think anybody was dimwitted enough to believe that I was really a big purple dinosaur.
I've made the mistake of thinking someone was a girl instead of a guy and vice versa on this forum more than once. It's an understandable mistake.
Thank you for your kind words about mistaking someone's avatar for a woman.I thought Hoping was a girl at first. I have since been corrected.
User "Gods Truth" was clearly a woman, despite so vehemently refusing to answer which she was.
Or, at the very least, a very effeminate man who didn't have the testosterone to just come out and say it.
Which brings me to my position on this thread's topic, @Rodger:
If women are pastoring the church, regardless of how many biological males there are in the congregation, there aren't any men in it who can stand up and lead, and BE men.
It will have become a very effeminate church.
God expects men to be the head of their household.
If they cannot effectively lead their household, how can they expect to lead a congregation.
Hence why Paul says, for anyone in a position of leadership over the church, he must be a "one-woman man, ruling their children and their own houses well," and he also says, "the head of woman is man."
Thank you for your kind words about mistaking someone's avatar for a woman.
Nah.... I always thought you were some other dude.For quite a while I was using this one or something like it. I don't think anybody was dimwitted enough to believe that I was really a big purple dinosaur.
No problem, it happens.OK.
I admitt it was a mistake. Thank you for pointing it out to me.
The scripture you posted is:The answer of NOPE in responce to "SHould women be pastors" which is 100% in difference to the Scriptures posted,
I'm flexible on it.Can we move on from your critique and on to the question asked in the thread. Do YOU have an opinion?
ok doser is NOT a woman ?Perhaps this is a good test to show you that you should not be a pastor of a church assembly since you are so quick to criticize and judge without knowledge.
Ok Doser is not a woman.
And his "nope" response was to the thread title question.
Sorry, ok doser.ok doser is NOT a woman ?
Isn't it funny how a single picture can warp an impression.
Nah.ok doser is NOT a woman ?
Some people will look for anything as an excuse for their lack of knowledge.Isn't it funny how a single picture can warp an impression.
hehe!Sorry, ok doser.
Your "resume" doesn't make mention of your gender.
Thanks for your responce.No problem, it happens.
Live and learn.
The scripture you posted is:
1 Timothy 3:1-3 (KJV)"This is a true saying, If a "man" desire the office of a bishop, "he" desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, "the husband of one wife," vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous".
Where in that scripture is Paul giving instructions about what sort of women should have the position?
I'm flexible on it.
HOWEVER, I believe a "bishop" (from the scripture you quoted) is not a "leader" of the assembly but a "servant" of the assembly to keep things orderly, civil, and safe which would include being a bouncer for those that act disorderly and cause a ruckus.
I think men are better options for that job, practically speaking.
So I, as a woman, I would rather have men in that position because I would feel more secure.
OK doser was who I thought we were talking about????It wasn't the avatar. Hoping doesn't have an avatar.
I was talking about how the person wrote.
Never heard of himOK doser was who I thought we were talking about????
OK doser was who I thought we were talking about????
You might want to broaden your scripture search of what God intends for men and women.Thanks for your responce.
Now what we believe or think does not matter.
There are NO Scriptures that say a woman can be a pastor or a deacon. There are NO Scriptures which say that the woman can have authority over the man in teaching the Scriptures.
Women can teach women, children, lead the music and hold any other office in the church except the ordained position of Pastor or deacon. That is because God said that ""This is a true saying, If a "man" desire the office of a bishop, "he" desireth a good work."
The Biblical meaning of the word "Bishop" is ......Overseer!
It comes from the Greek term episkapos which has also been translated as “episcopal,” “elder,” “overseer,” or “pastor.” All refer to the same office and are therefore synonyms.
Thanks for the advice.You might want to broaden your scripture search of what God intends for men and women.
Take a gander at:
Joel 2(28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.(29) Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit.
In scripture God uses both men and women as authorities to guide, judge, and rule His people.
One such example is:
Judges 4(4) Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.(5) She used to sit under the palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the people of Israel came up to her for judgment.
My bad.How in the world did you come to think that I was talking about doser by reading my post?
I never mentioned doser. Why would I have been talking about him?
I thought Hoping was a girl at first. I have since been corrected.
User "Gods Truth" was clearly a woman, despite so vehemently refusing to answer which she was.
Or, at the very least, a very effeminate man who didn't have the testosterone to just come out and say it.
Which brings me to my position on this thread's topic, @Rodger:
If women are pastoring the church, regardless of how many biological males there are in the congregation, there aren't any men in it who can stand up and lead, and BE men.
It will have become a very effeminate church.
God expects men to be the head of their household.
If they cannot effectively lead their household, how can they expect to lead a congregation.
Hence why Paul says, for anyone in a position of leadership over the church, he must be a "one-woman man, ruling their children and their own houses well," and he also says, "the head of woman is man."
Thank you for your kind words about mistaking someone's avatar for a woman.
I agree. The husband is the head of the household is all about Federal Headship = Responsibility.
It wasn't the avatar. Hoping doesn't have an avatar.
I was talking about how the person wrote.
OK doser was who I thought we were talking about????
How in the world did you come to think that I was talking about doser by reading my post?
I never mentioned doser. Why would I have been talking about him?
My bad.
I thought post #34...........was directed to me.
"It wasn't the avatar. Hoping doesn't have an avatar.
I was talking about how the person wrote."