How did he not run afoul of the law that says you can only keep the minors for 20 days?
Asylee -A person who is seeking or has been granted asylum.
Should the government take away my children if I deliberately involve them in ...
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Asylee is the proper word for the person seeking Asylum.
annabenedetti
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They didn't prosecute first-time border crossers, for starters. Trump's zero-tolerance policy was the game-changer. There's more. But I would imagine anyone interested in comparing the reality of what Obama's administration did with what Trump's administration is doing would see clear differences. There is no "continuation" of an Obama policy that looks anything like Trump's.
My apologies for not recognizing the word, I don't recall seeing it before, or in any of the commentary I've read. Knowing how supportive you've been of the Trump administration, your characterization of concern as being "freaked out" left me doubting your intent.
ok doser
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So the difference between bammy and trump is that trump is doing the same thing to more illegals?
Sounds like a continuation to me
So Obama wasent enforcing the law and now Trump is.
annabenedetti
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No. Trump changed policy from what it was before.
Previously, a first time crossing was a misdemeanor. They were given a court date and released. The families stayed together unless the parent was a danger to the child or had been charged with a felony - these separations were the exception, not the rule. It wasn't admin. policy to separate children from their parents.
Trump's policy changed that, holding for prosecution even first time crossers and asylum seekers who didn't use the approved crossing, which meant they had to separate charged parents from children. The policy was intentional, meant to scare off potential border crossers.
I don't believe for a minute you don't understand this already.
Kit the Coyote
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The Obama Administration dealt with the problem by creating a supervised release program. Families were given a trial date to start the process and assigned a caseworker. They were then released till then.
The caseworker kept in contact with them, so their location and situation was known and ensured they showed up for the asylum processing sessions. Being in an unsettled state, they may have made use of social services but the cost of that was trivial compared to the cost of keeping them in holding facility for a year.
The program was massively successful with well over 90% of families on it appearing for their court dates and subsequent processing. The Trump Administration called it "catch and release" and ended the program first thing.
ok doser
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Kit the Coyote
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At managing the legal requirements for processing asylum claims, meeting the legal requirements concerning locking up children, and ensuring the asylum seekers were not just released into the country without returning to be processed.
You mean potential illegal border crossers.
I dont believe for a minute that you dont understand that Trump is enforcing the law.
ok doser
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annabenedetti
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I don't believe for a minute that you don't know the difference between Obama's policy and Trump's policy.
ok doser
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Bammy's policy: encourage illegal immigration
Trump's policy: discourage illegal immigration
everready
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Exactly!
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
~Adolf Hitler
annabenedetti
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Exactly? Or not exactly?
Did Hitler Really Say People Will ‘Endure Almost Any Curtailment of Liberty’ if it’s ‘Perceived as Working for the Benefit of the Children’?
A reputed quote by Adolph Hitler has been trending on social media. The Fuhrer supposedly wrote the following in Mein Kampf: “The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and any deprivation.”
I was asked to verify whether the quote is true. To do this, I called up a PDF version of Mein Kampf “Auf Deutsch,” pressed “control F” and typed in “Kind,” the German word for child.
The word “Kind” appears 95 times in Mein Kampf. Adolph Hitler clearly has a great interest in policies which encourage Germans to have children. On page 48, for example, he castigates the political bourgeoisie for rejecting child-friendly Social Democratic measures such as maternity leave or prohibition on child labor.
The first sentence of the alleged quote can be found on page 446, as part of a chapter entitled “The State”.
“Er hat das Kind zum kostbarsten Gut eines Volkes zu erklaeren.” (“The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.”)
That sentence is clearly present in the text.
But the second sentence in the so-called English translation is a fabrication. This is the sentence which follows in German: “Er muss dafuer sorgen, dass nur, wer gesund ist, Kinder zeugt.” (“The state must insure that only those who are healthy have children.”
In the paragraph which follows on page 446 and 447, Hitler asserts that the state must ensure that those who are sick or weak should not reproduce. At the same time, the state must do everything to see that “blessing of children does not become a curse.”
He argues that the state must provide financial incentives for Germans to have large families: “Seine Sorge gehoert mehr dem Kinde als dem Erwachsenen.” (The State is “the most important patron of this precious blessing of a people. Its concern should be focused more on the child than on the grown up.”)
The second half of the alleged quote—“As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and any deprivation”—cannot be found in the text of Mein Kampf.
As for "nobody - absolutely nobody - on the left or the right - mainstream media, political figures, etc - is talking about the parents of the kids..." That's simply not true. So "Exactly!" doesn't work there either.
Kit the Coyote
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Hitler believed that the primary job of Aryan women was to be healthy strong breeders for more Aryan children. Thus the Nazis strongly promoted families and childbearing among the 'right' kind. While also engaging in sterilization and extermination among the 'wrong' kind. That is why the second part of the alleged quote is wrong and even unnecessary, he believed the first part was truth period, provided you used his definition of people, not a ploy to achieve the second part.
Why is easy. Some creepy psychologists wanted to take over child psychology and started this sissy spoiling no :Clete:
Children need from a very early age a good spanking so they learn life has painful consequence for doing some thing adults believe wrong.
Slowly,over time, parents have come to embrace their children remaining children into mid-adulthood. Living with mild mannered parents does not promote wanting to became adults. The studies are in now for all to see, children do not care near as much about being adults as say children coming to age in 1965. In those days, boys wanted their own cars, they wanted to learn about sex and how to get a job and be a grown-up; in a way, they wanted adulthood to much.
Now today, teenagers do not care about achieving adulthood, they have sex much later, and this all can be found in studies on Google, and they do not want to have their own place to live, in fact sole wish to continue to live with parents until hey are in their 30s!
They are less concerned about being grown up more than at any previous time in modern American history. They don't have problems with homos because they are not sure about sex themselves, and they lost the art of being male, and now are called metro sexual, which is more queer than men were back in 1965 graduating high school.
everready
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i posted that because of what i see in today's media..i see it being used over and over again, can't you?
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