Should homosexuals be given the death penalty?
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For crying out loud, nobody is refuting the idea that the pharisees were trying to lay a trap for Jesus, they just happened to get more than they bargained for when Jesus not only easily avoided such but managed to point out that all of the crowd that day had no right to go around self righteously accusing others when they had their own sin, if this were PURELY about breaking this law do you think that might just have been mentioned? Also, does it not strike you as odd that NONE of the crowd even attempted to verbally defend themselves if it was soley the law under question? Wake up and see what happened LH....
You're a legalist because you constantly try to fit passages in with your own interpretation of the law - this being a case in point, you make absolute light of the fact that Jesus sent a crowd away by convicting them by the conscience of their own sin and make it all about a legal event......
Hopefully not for long, it's a good question :up:
Surely someone has an answer to it...?
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Mystery
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What I can't believe is that you think the Law only serves one purpose. You have correctly stated that the Law is to lead men to Christ. God is for the Law to lead men to Christ. God is against the Law for righteousness. No one will ever be justified by the works of the Law. Believers have no relationship to the Law in any way. We have been released from the Law.
So then, what authority do you have to discipline your children? What authority do governments have to instill fear in those who do evil?
zoo22
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Morpheus
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A quick synopsis. Yes we are still talking about homosexuals and the death penalty. The discussion is now that the Mosaic law has no authority over Gentiles (no longer for Jews either for that matter), and that without that authority then the argument for executing homosexuals collapses.
Help any?
Morpheus
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Actually I believe that its other purpose, as a guide to what is right and wrong in God's eyes, remains. I have only stated that it never had any authority over Gentiles, and that it no longer has any authority over even the Jews. True faith in Christ is the measure, and the Jews will be similarly measured by that standard.
There are plenty of NT examples of parental authority and governmental authority. Those are not derived from Mosaic law.
Mystery
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I'm not disputing you here, but really want to know. What are they derived from?
OHSHCKaori
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You know it looks like most of the people on here are homo-phobs. I am not homosexual but honestly it doesn't really matter! One of my best friends is a lesbian but I just accept her for who she is not which gender she likes.
If we executed people for being a homosexual, then it would be the same as executing people for having hair, because no matter where you go, there's going to be someone who is a homosexual.
I do realize that there is a stigma around homosexuals and that our society is very homophobic but really is that a reason to kill someone?
If we executed people for being a homosexual, then it would be the same as executing people for having hair, because no matter where you go, there's going to be someone who is a homosexual.
I do realize that there is a stigma around homosexuals and that our society is very homophobic but really is that a reason to kill someone?
uk_mikey
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Have you read this thread? :think:
Mystery
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What are they derived from?
Just Tom
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Is being a homophobe bad you seem to act as though it is?
Every where you go you will find homophobes so why don't you all just accept that we are here and quit trying to change us..?
You accept your friend for the symptom of her developmental disorder, her coping mechanism, to compensate for her emotional/psychological wounds. You tell her that you don't accept homosexuality and that you know it is not natural and see how she acts. Her whole world is shaped by her desire to legitimize her coping mechanism so she doesn't have to face herself.
Morpheus
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I'm not ignoring you or avoiding the question. I believe that it is sincere. I have just been covered up lately and had little time to do anything but short interjections into threads. Since I'm disabled and retired this is not my norm, but I do plan on getting back to you as soon as I have time to dig out a few references.
Mystery
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Thank you.
Morpheus
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This is freaky. I just spent the last 1.5-2 hours looking up scripture and writing a response to you. I was nearly done the first time and Internet Explorer froze up. I restarted IE and when I reached about the same point in preparing the post it froze up again. I tried to start up Mozilla Firefox and found that the entire PC was strangled. It took another 15 minutes to get it restarted and now I don't have time to reassemble it before I have to leave. I will get back to it though; trust me.
The reason I say it's freaky is because there have been similar things happen over the years a few times. The one that was the strangest was prior to becoming a Christian many, many years ago my wife gave me "The Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis to read. I only got about two pages, the electricity went out and it was the middle of the night, so I gave up. A few weeks later I thought that I'd try it again and made it only another 2-3 pages before the electricity went out again and it was pitch dark. I tried a third time a few weeks later and it happened again. This time, since it was so freaky, I was determined to continue in spite of the power outage. I got my trusty Coleman lantern that I fished with 2-3 nights a week, but it wouldn't stay lit. I replaced the mantles, dumped the fuel and put in fresh, but it wouldn't stay lit. I tried with candles, but it gave me a pounding headache within minutes. The next day I pulled out the book immediately after coming home from work while it was still daylight. I read it in a couple of hours and it had a tremendous affect on me. A couple of months later I came to Christ. The other examples of such repeated roadblocks have all had similar outcomes in one way or another. I knew that it was Satan fighting my efforts. So now I wonder just why this is happening and who is not supposed to see what will be written.
Excuse me now, but I have to go comb down the hair on my neck. Catch you later.
I accept that there are evangelicals and fundamentalists who exhibit symptoms of fear of sexual differences and sex period. Their ways of coping are varied. Some deny what is deep inside themselves, project it onto others and then safely condemn it within a context of literalism and obedience to authority. This makes them blind to nuance, paradox, metaphor and parable. But this doesn't mean we marginalize and condemn our brothers and sisters in Christ. One way to break through the fear is through the saving grace of Christ. I accept their search for meaning in Christianity, but I will not accept turning away from (or shaming) other human beings. The world of the homophobic Christian is shaped by a desire to legitimize his/her fear of sexuality. And it is nurtured much like in a adolescent "peer group" situation. Actually looking within and taking a serious internal moral inventory is made impossible.
Just Tom
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You characterize someone who doesn't accept sexual perversion as someone who has a problem with sex. The reality is that homosexuals are the sexually insecure individuals and it is them who are nurtured in their fear by adolescent peer groups. This is evidenced by the homosexuals second adolescence that they have when they come out of the closet. They are then trapped in their emotionally retarded psychological state with all of the others who are sexually insecure and want society to recognize them by their coping mechanism.
You don't shame people for their sinful behavior well you are nicer than God then..
The desire of homophobic Christianity is not to legitimize their own fear of sexuality since it is the homosexual who is sexually insecure. It is to fight the spiritual state that a person who engages in homosexual behavior is in and wants to spread to others. It is a gospel of sorts that the homos spread. One of evil and lies which lead to death both physical as well as spiritual.
You are twisted and most likely completely ignorant about all aspects of homosexuality...
uk_mikey
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The homosexual's "second adolescence" is a very real phemonenon. I experienced it myself, and have seen it manifest in very many people. It's where the homosexuality is inevitably given a boost, and it seems to take control of the individual in a different way from when it's closeted.
It's like opening Pandora's Box. The condition becomes the most important thing in the individual's life, and satisfying the urges tends to take priority over everything else. Some would argue that it's inevitable that the individual will have a new lease of life and will want to explore their needs, having kept them bottled up. But the desire to 'experiment' and to explore as many channels of sexual indulgence as possible seems to be a very common practice amongst homos just out of the closet.
It's not helped that sex is the god of the homosexual 'communities'. So, inevitably homos tend to get easily pulled into the sexual engines of the homosexual world.
This adolescence you speak of will often last as long as an individual's sexlife, from what I've seen myself. It is identified by a total lack of any sense of responsibility, and an abandonment to the where the sexual urges lead.
You hit the nail on the head when you refer to homosexuality as being like a gospel which homos spread. It's very much that, in how it pervades all aspects of the subculture.
Mystery
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Morpheus?