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Until the end, when they ran out of water and skidded to a stop on the mantle. That part did produce a lot of heat which melted both crust and mantle.And sliding on an almost perfect lubricant.
Until the end, when they ran out of water and skidded to a stop on the mantle. That part did produce a lot of heat which melted both crust and mantle.And sliding on an almost perfect lubricant.
As RD mentioned, it skidded to a stop creating a lot of heat. The energy could only have gone into mountains and heat. The sideways motion used almost no energy.Sure. But the sideways movement is where all the energy budget goes.
At the end of the fast phase, they piled upward. The energy is stored as potential in the continents.
The energy did not go to heat.
Yes, some went into potential energy in the mountains. But I'm guessing more than half went into heat skidding to a stop. Again, I don't think this is bad for HTP, but it would be nice to have the numbers.And sliding on an almost perfect lubricant.
Or the energy is stored, as Stripe said, as potential energy in the mountains.
Only negligible amounts went to heat, ie, (the net descent multiplied by mass) minus (the energy imparted to accelerate water plus negligible other forms).Yes, some went into potential energy in the mountains. But I'm guessing more than half went into heat skidding to a stop. Again, I don't think this is bad for HTP, but it would be nice to have the numbers.
Prior to that the plates were pushing water into the sky. Most of the energy went to accelerating the fountains.As RD mentioned, it skidded to a stop creating a lot of heat. The energy could only have gone into mountains and heat. The sideways motion used almost no energy.
Yes, this. It would be nice to have the numbers.Only negligible amounts went to heat, ie, (the net descent multiplied by mass) minus (the energy imparted to accelerate water plus negligible other forms).
This is definitely not quite accurate. Let's say the bucket of water is full to the brim such that the rock you drop into the bucket causes the water to flow over the edge. This way we can quantify the potential energy you just created by increasing the height of the water. If we were to measure accurately enough, the energy used to stop the water from moving after it went down the sides of the bucket would be entirely heat. And I'm not talking about the entire interaction of the system but just the energy used to stop the water because increasing the surface area of the water exposed would allow for evaporation that would cool the system a great deal more than the heat used to stop the water from moving.If you drop a rock into a bucket of water, the energy goes to moving the water around, not heat.
But still, not completely nothing. We can quantify how much "essentially nothing" in terms of heat is generated by the rock stopping on the opposite bank. And we can do the same for the crust skidding to a stop.If you skip a rock off a river and onto the opposite bank, the transfer of energy to heat is essentially nothing.
Let's be clear, all energy will eventually be counted as heat. The point with the illustrations is to show that the movement does not lead to the direct heating of the water, atmosphere or rock. It goes to other forms first.This is definitely not quite accurate. Let's say the bucket of water is full to the brim such that the rock you drop into the bucket causes the water to flow over the edge. This way we can quantify the potential energy you just created by increasing the height of the water. If we were to measure accurately enough, the energy used to stop the water from moving after it went down the sides of the bucket would be entirely heat. And I'm not talking about the entire interaction of the system but just the energy used to stop the water because increasing the surface area of the water exposed would allow for evaporation that would cool the system a great deal more than the heat used to stop the water from moving.
But still, not completely nothing. We can quantify how much "essentially nothing" in terms of heat is generated by the rock stopping on the opposite bank. And we can do the same for the crust skidding to a stop.
OK. So how much of the carbonates were formed underground? 99%? So are you meaning to say that it's closer to 10 billion megatons TNT worth of energy released during the geologic column's formation, rather than 1 trillion?She describes the supposed problem 15 minutes in. The quantity matters because of the amount of calcite (carbonates) that need to form, a slightly exothermic process. Where those carbonates are sourced is different for her model than for Walt Brown's, but she doesn't make the adjustment.
I guess so, but even if 99.99% of the carbonates were formed before the Flood we're still talking about 100 million megatons of TNT worth of energy released as heat during the sedimentary rock formation, right?That's also assuming it all happened at the surface.
Right and so again, even if 99.9999% of the carbonates were formed below ground, it's still one million megaton TNT heat emitted above ground when the rocks hardened. I mean we keep saying megaton like it's some big number but remember the smaller bomb that blew up Hiroshima Japan in 1945 was only like 1/65th of a megaton and that killed like 70,000 people instantly.Because it does not appreciate the assumptions of HPT. The carbonates were precipitated in a sealed, subterranean chamber, not from organisms, as the evolutionary model assumes. The heat went into the water sealed inside the planet and converted to kinetic when it escaped.
But the energy of sedimentary rock formation didn't----it couldn't. What kinetically changed when the rock was hardening? It just released heat. Even if 99.999999% of the carbonates formed before the fountains broke, that's still 650,000 Hiroshima bombs worth of heat.The energy went to kinetic, not heat.
If you boil a pot of water and pour it on your hand, it'll hurt.
If you boil the water in a sealed container with a tiny nozzle and open the nozzle so that it sprays out (given the pressure), it will not burn you (as long as you're not right at the opening).
The energy went to kinetic.
Because water would drain off the higher continents into the lower ocean basins quicker than 150 days, especially once the rain stopped after 40 days. Once that happened it's just a huge pile of water on land, that's going to drain off the land and into what are today the oceans. It's not going to take 150 days. But if God sustained walls around the edges of the continents (like He did when Moses passed through the sea) to hold the water on the higher elevated land, then it could take 150 days.Why?
OK. So how much of the carbonates were formed underground? 99%?
So are you meaning to say that it's closer to 10 billion megatons TNT worth of energy released during the geologic column's formation, rather than 1 trillion?
I guess so, but even if 99.99% of the carbonates were formed before the Flood we're still talking about 100 million megatons of TNT worth of energy released as heat during the sedimentary rock formation, right?
Right and so again, even if 99.9999% of the carbonates were formed below ground, it's still one million megaton TNT heat
emitted above ground when the rocks hardened.
I mean we keep saying megaton like it's some big number but remember the smaller bomb that blew up Hiroshima Japan in 1945 was only like 1/65th of a megaton and that killed like 70,000 people instantly.
But the energy of sedimentary rock formation didn't----it couldn't. What kinetically changed when the rock was hardening? It just released heat. Even if 99.999999% of the carbonates formed before the fountains broke, that's still 650,000 Hiroshima bombs worth of heat.
Because water would drain off the higher continents into the lower ocean basins quicker than 150 days, especially once the rain stopped after 40 days.
Once that happened it's just a huge pile of water on land, that's going to drain off the land and into what are today the oceans. It's not going to take 150 days.
But if God sustained walls around the edges of the continents (like He did when Moses passed through the sea) to hold the water on the higher elevated land, then it could take 150 days.
Are you thinking that perhaps the continental crust at that time was actually lower elevation than the ocean basins were? Because I hadn't thought of that. That's interesting. Like, the continents, which are less dense than oceanic crust, needed time to float to the top, and while it was rising due to buoyancy, of course the Flood water just sat in the depression like a continent shaped puddle. But once the continents achieved their modern height, the basaltic crust was now lower and so all the water went into the oceans.
OK. So how much of the carbonates were formed underground? 99%?
I guess so, but even if 99.99% of the carbonates were formed before the Flood we're still talking about 100 million megatons of TNT worth of energy released as heat during the sedimentary rock formation, right?
The rock hardening was almost entirely a process of draining the water. The carbonates were all formed in the sealed chamber.But the energy of sedimentary rock formation didn't----it couldn't. What kinetically changed when the rock was hardening? It just released heat. Even if 99.999999% of the carbonates formed before the fountains broke, that's still 650,000 Hiroshima bombs worth of heat.
There was more going on than just water draining. There were vast isostatic changes — mountains rising as land around them subsided, seismic movement.Because water would drain off the higher continents into the lower ocean basins quicker than 150 days, especially once the rain stopped after 40 days. Once that happened it's just a huge pile of water on land, that's going to drain off the land and into what are today the oceans. It's not going to take 150 days. But if God sustained walls around the edges of the continents (like He did when Moses passed through the sea) to hold the water on the higher elevated land, then it could take 150 days.
The continents were initially put at greater average altitude and are still sinking.Are you thinking that perhaps the continental crust at that time was actually lower elevation than the ocean basins were? Because I hadn't thought of that. That's interesting. Like, the continents, which are less dense than oceanic crust, needed time to float to the top, and while it was rising due to buoyancy, of course the Flood water just sat in the depression like a continent shaped puddle. But once the continents achieved their modern height, the basaltic crust was now lower and so all the water went into the oceans.idk. Interesting. Thanks for making me think.
Yeah, you're most likely right.Yeah. The water inside the Earth now is negligible compared with the water that was there prior to the flood.
Where did the water go? Into great big holes in the planet, primarily the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian ocean basins.
There's a first time for everything.Yeah, you're most likely right.
Gravity. Rocks have cracks in them.How? Rock is denser than water.
Vaguely, only from listening to Real Science Radio.Are you familiar with the Hydro Plate Theory by Dr. Walt Brown?
Not below about 5 miles.Gravity. Rocks have cracks in them.
Even with cracks, gravity doesn't take water very deep — although, to be fair, CM probably means pressure. And, yeah, at any great depth, the pressure gets too great for gaps. Water inside the Earth will only ever travel upward.Not below about 5 miles.
Vaguely, only from listening to Real Science Radio.