Science-Reality or Delusion

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1 Tim 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babble and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge--
21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.
2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
Eph 5:7
7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Matt 12:39
39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
2 Tim 2:15-16
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
II Th 2:10-11
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
John 8:51
51 "Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death."
Col 2:20-23
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations--
21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,"
22 which all concern things which perish with the using-- according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Mark 8:35
35 "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it.
Col 2:8-9
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Rom 1:17
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
Matt 15:8-9
8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "
Acts 19:19
19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Heb 4:2
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
Rom 14:22
22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
2 Cor 1:9
9 Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead,
Luke 16:15
15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
Rom 8:20
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
1 Tim 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
Rom 1:20-23
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man-- and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Matt 13:24-30
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;
25 "but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
26 "But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.
27 "So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'
28 "He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?'
29 "But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
30 'Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."'"
Matt 23:24
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
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xxxx Science is a delusion in life. God said if they dont believe His Word He would send strong delusions. So that they would believe the lie. Then cast them into hell for it. They have always been close to finding the truth, but havent found it. They will always be close but will never find it. God created everything full grown, He didnt start with nothing as science does. He created Adam all ready full grown, and Eve. God created the world full grown. At its birth it looked millions of years old. Strong delusions.


II Th 2:9-12
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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I guess some science is also needed to produce the technology that allows scripture software to come up with word associations.

Although whoever coded this software has a strange idea of the word 'associations'.

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I guess some science is also needed to produce the technology that allows scripture software to come up with word associations.

Although whoever coded this software has a strange idea of the word 'associations'.

Stuart

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So you don't think God gave them the knowledge for the technology.
 

Stuu

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So you don't think God gave them the knowledge for the technology.
It's pretty obvious that the whole of the Judeo-christian scriptures was written by humans with no kind of special inspiration whatsoever. I would completely retract that and have to really do some introspection if Genesis was to have something that could not have possibly been known by ancient Jews, for example if instead of a whole lot of hit-and-miss hand washing rituals it had said that you should wash your hands before meals because disease is caused by things on your hands that are too small for you to see.

But there is nothing useful like that anywhere in scripture. The verses are about as knowledgeable or ignorant as the people were.

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It's pretty obvious that the whole of the Judeo-christian scriptures was written by humans with no kind of special inspiration whatsoever. I would completely retract that and have to really do some introspection if Genesis was to have something that could not have possibly been known by ancient Jews, for example if instead of a whole lot of hit-and-miss hand washing rituals it had said that you should wash your hands before meals because disease is caused by things on your hands that are too small for you to see.

But there is nothing useful like that anywhere in scripture. The verses are about as knowledgeable or ignorant as the people were.

Stuart

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lol Well its obvious that you have no plans of going to heaven when you pass.
 

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Yeah, well that part's made up as well, innit.

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lol I have gained so much sense I got into Christianity. And that in itself made it worth it. Now in the end if I am wrong I lose nothing. Because I have gained so much by getting into it. But what if your wrong? You missed out on the peace you could of had now. And in the end its down the eternal lake of fire. I have a win, win situation. You have a loose, loose situation.
 

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lol I have gained so much sense I got into Christianity. And that in itself made it worth it. Now in the end if I am wrong I lose nothing. Because I have gained so much by getting into it. But what if your wrong? You missed out on the peace you could of had now. And in the end its down the eternal lake of fire. I have a win, win situation. You have a loose, loose situation.
As you will appreciate, I am not a follower of the christian hobby, I prefer test cricket. So the pleasure I have gained from following cricket would have been less had I devoted more time to christianity (although many atheists do appear to invest quite a bit of time trying to understand christianity anyway!).

You are not quite laying Pascal's Wager on me, but nearly. I think Pascal was cheap, a coward perhaps. Could he not just stand up for his convictions? What kind of god should be impressed by someone who has a bet each way? I stand by my conviction that the universe is brutal but beautiful and contains no observation or reason that should compel anyone to go for a conspiracy theory of sky beings running the show. And I'm sure you wouldn't accuse me of not having thought about it, right?

Now, if your god really exists, and views the way I have lived my life as worthy of burning in sulfur, why would I want to spend 'an eternity' with it?

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