The idea that an innocent deity must die so that the ultimate deity, who is Love, can finally forgive is an invention of humans not deity.
Keep telling yourself that. You are a cultist, however. You were as a Mormon when you were one then, too. You never stopped, just changed from one to the other.
Sadly, that is the very gospel that you seem to be so eager to reject. Christ died in your place. God did that, not humans. We know because God put it into a book that has been verified as true based on the verified prophecy in Scripture and is God's revealed word on which you will be judged. You refusal to "obey the gospel" by placing your faith in Christ's substitution on your behalf will damn you for eternity.
"professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".
I obey Jesus and his Father, not Paul and his speculations.
Sadly, the gospel you present was an after thought overlaid on top of the original gospel of salvation by faith. Paul had never known Jesus, he was a Jew influenced by the Pagan world where he was a citizen. He interpreted the cross (which became the central focus of his gospel) according to preconceived ideas.
I obey Jesus and his Father, not Paul and his speculations.
Nope. It isn't a lack of understanding. In fact, it is a very informed opinion of you, whether you particularly like it or not. You are that weirdo New-Age Borg. The UB happens to be the same tepid blaise do nothing theology of all the other ones you also embrace.You're deluded and still making assumptions about my religious affiliation or context of religious studies. You also fail to comprehend that I use the UB merely as a springboard for discussion with conservative traditional-orthodox Christians, to inspire creative-dialogue and continual research of one's belief system. You're a bit clueless about my engagement here on the board since 2003.
All you have is a caricature that your attacking and the polemics that go with a typical fundamentalist who tries to define and pigeonhole another, but you can't do that with me, beginning with ignorance and false assumptions. My previous threads and some other involvement are listed here for historical record, but still is not a complete composite of my contributions to various religious subjects. Also note that the UB is only one subject among many that I've contributed discussion on. You falsely assume I'm an active UB-only enthusiast, just because of recent discussion on it. It only serves as a mirror to reflect back your own religious bias towards your own preferred texts which ought to be weighed with equal skepticism and credulity, which I formerly noted with Jehovah commanding genocide and other harmful activities.
:doh: Why is it then that the apostles that did "know" Jesus didn't dispute Paul? Why did Peter refer to him as brother?
By denying salvation by grace through faith according to Paul, you are denying God's revelation of the purpose of His Son. You are elevating your own surmising and opinion to a place above the authority of the word of God. You cannot be saved without the cross and your faith in the One who died there.
Good and legitimate question. There was some falling out between the apostles and this Charismatic Paul, but he was also influenced by Peters post cross thinking.
In the excitement of the miraculous self resurrection of Christ, and the presumption that he would soon return to take up David's seat, Peter launched out on this same presumption. The original gospel was forgotten in the dust of the new "good news", the risen Christ.
If the Jews had accepted the original gospel, they would be preaching that today from Jerusalem. So killing Jesus as a sacrifice wouldn't be that gospel. He would have simply resolved his body and returned to his place on high.
:doh: Why is it then that the apostles that did "know" Jesus didn't dispute Paul? Why did Peter refer to him as brother?
By denying salvation by grace through faith according to Paul, you are denying God's revelation of the purpose of His Son. You are elevating your own surmising and opinion to a place above the authority of the word of God. You cannot be saved without the cross and your faith in the One who died there.
Thanks for acknowledging that Jesus had been teaching his gospel in hopes of reaching the Jews before the tragic cross.
I will use an analogy. If you went into the jungle and presented confusing, advanced truth to the Bantu tribe and then left, eventually they will make it their own. They will interpret it to the best of their ability based on their own preconceptions and limitations.
That's what happened to the advanced truth of Jesus, they were used to offering sacrifices and found it very difficult to understand that God is just a loving, forgiving Father. I can understand and appreciate how sacrifice minded religious people could easily interpret the cross.
Today, through grace and the work of Christ messengers in the celestial world, the original gospel has come again. That is why I am here on TOL, to tell people about the UB. But just like Jesus and his messengers were hated and mocked, so are we.
all you have left is mocking
Sadly, that is the very gospel that you seem to be so eager to reject. Christ died in your place. God did that, not humans. We know because God put it into a book that has been verified as true based on the verified prophecy in Scripture and is God's revealed word on which you will be judged. You refusal to "obey the gospel" by placing your faith in Christ's substitution on your behalf will damn you for eternity.
"professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".
I obey my UFO advisors and their speculations.
2 Peter is pseudographical, so is no proof Peter endorsed Paul.
This is one religious belief or opinion held by those who accept Paul's epistles and those ascribed to him. Other views and versions of Christianity exist, both ancient and modern who may or may not take Paul's teaching to heart, since much is allegorical anyways.
Thanks for acknowledging that Jesus had been teaching his gospel in hopes of reaching the Jews before the tragic cross.
I will use an analogy. If you went into the jungle and presented confusing, advanced truth to the Bantu tribe and then left, eventually they will make it their own. They will interpret it to the best of their ability based on their own preconceptions and limitations.
That's what happened to the advanced truth of Jesus, they were used to offering sacrifices and found it very difficult to understand that God is just a loving, forgiving Father. I can understand and appreciate how sacrifice minded religious people could easily interpret the cross.
Today, through grace and the work of Christ messengers in the celestial world, the original gospel has come again. That is why I am here on TOL, to tell people about the UB. But just like Jesus and his messengers were hated and mocked, so are we.
Hey, Caino, I'll bet you miss your fellow "space cadet" Zeke a lot?