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Rusha

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I said it was a guess

I was commenting on Meshak's supposed *typos*.

As far as your comment, I don't know anything about the husband's religion ... only that Meshak "claims" he is addicted to porn.

The discussion isn't about porn, however, IMO, it is one of those issues that could be worked through for a married couple.
 
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Hi everyone. I'm new here and I've been reading the posts with great dismay. It seems to me that most everyone is so caught up in discussing the other guys views that the very concept of "Christianity" gets lost. As for the lists, it seems to me that it's a matter of defining God (or categorizing people by how they define Him). Does the Bible require that we 'define" God? Actually, what I read is that God defies any definition we come up with anyway, so isn't the very idea of putting a definition of what God is or isn't an effort in futility. maybe that's why Jesus kept emphasizing the importance of doing His will, not discussing His makeup. You know the idea of the "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" is a Dark Ages concept that was a pretentious attempt by man to define God that has nothing to do with one's salvation or anything else for that matter. So, I believe that the same might apply to putting labels on posters. There's so much emphasis on labels that we miss God's message and maybe miss the very essence of what God would actually have us doing.
 

intojoy

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Hi everyone. I'm new here and I've been reading the posts with great dismay. It seems to me that most everyone is so caught up in discussing the other guys views that the very concept of "Christianity" gets lost. As for the lists, it seems to me that it's a matter of defining God (or categorizing people by how they define Him). Does the Bible require that we 'define" God? Actually, what I read is that God defies any definition we come up with anyway, so isn't the very idea of putting a definition of what God is or isn't an effort in futility. maybe that's why Jesus kept emphasizing the importance of doing His will, not discussing His makeup. You know the idea of the "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" is a Dark Ages concept that was a pretentious attempt by man to define God that has nothing to do with one's salvation or anything else for that matter. So, I believe that the same might apply to putting labels on posters. There's so much emphasis on labels that we miss God's message and maybe miss the very essence of what God would actually have us doing.


If you died tonight and God asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would you say?
 

StabbyTabby

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You guys have to admit, it's pretty difficult for those of us on the outside to take Christianity seriously when all it seems you all do is bicker over, well... pretty much everything.
 

intojoy

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I was commenting on Meshak's supposed *typos*.



As far as your comment, I don't know anything about the husband's religion ... only that Meshak "claims" he is addicted to porn.



The discussion isn't about porn, however, IMO, it is one of those issues that could be worked through for a married couple.


Ok. I'm overjoyed to hear that this man is not a JW.

That changes everything because now that meshak cannot blame her prior JW group's lack of "works" to get mr meshak holy. It means that if JW doctrine could not counsel her and it can't that in her mind going with grace salvation alone would be the wrong direction. That fits their MO.

Rush, it is not about porn, it is not about sin, it is not sin that kept man away from knowing God by itself, it was sin without the penalty of sin having been paid, redeemed, or dealt with is what was man's problem.

That is no longer an issue for anyone who will humble herself and receive forgiveness thru the blood payment of the Messiah. Adam saw his wife and knew she was naked. Before sin entered his heart the two could enjoy each other's nakedness without shame , they were pure. Sin created a mindset that told Adam to cover his body and his wife's body so that God would not see their nakedness. That is our problem today.

We think that if we try to be good that somehow God is going to deal with us in kind by being good to us, by reciprocating back to us. That is a lie of the evil one.

God only deals with us on the grounds of grace and mercy. We are the recipients of a love we did not know we needed (like Adam didn't know after falling and hiding), and we are the recipients of mercy, God sacrificed Himself upon the cross as the payment for our sins. We do not need to obsess over our weaknesses and failings, if we knew completely and fully all that the blood of Messiah redeemed on our behalf then we would not be so traumatized by our failings. All we are to do is to reckon our lives to have been totally forgiven and we are to submit ourselves as servants of The Most High God.
 

intojoy

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You guys have to admit, it's pretty difficult for those of us on the outside to take Christianity seriously when all it seems you all do is bicker over, well... pretty much everything.


Amen stabb, it's hard for me to act seriously as a result of that true fact.
 

meshak

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You guys have to admit, it's pretty difficult for those of us on the outside to take Christianity seriously when all it seems you all do is bicker over, well... pretty much everything.

You are right, it is circus. This is the reality of western Christianity.

You have to know there are some true Christians out there. They are not majority.

Most churchgoers are trained to defend their denomination to gain more to their church. that is the bottom line. It has nothing to do with what Jesus teaches.
 

IMJerusha

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Because what he said is clearly lie. My husband is not JW. He made this up.

How you make accusation of me is not clear. It is up to God to judge if your judging me correctly or you are enabler of wicked deeds.

Here is what Jesus says about judging:
John 7:24
New International Version (NIV)
24 Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”

This is what I have been trying to tell you.
 

IMJerusha

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Hi everyone. I'm new here and I've been reading the posts with great dismay. It seems to me that most everyone is so caught up in discussing the other guys views that the very concept of "Christianity" gets lost. As for the lists, it seems to me that it's a matter of defining God (or categorizing people by how they define Him). Does the Bible require that we 'define" God? Actually, what I read is that God defies any definition we come up with anyway, so isn't the very idea of putting a definition of what God is or isn't an effort in futility. maybe that's why Jesus kept emphasizing the importance of doing His will, not discussing His makeup. You know the idea of the "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" is a Dark Ages concept that was a pretentious attempt by man to define God that has nothing to do with one's salvation or anything else for that matter. So, I believe that the same might apply to putting labels on posters. There's so much emphasis on labels that we miss God's message and maybe miss the very essence of what God would actually have us doing.

Thank you! :)
 

IMJerusha

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You are right, it is circus. This is the reality of western Christianity.

You have to know there are some true Christians out there. They are not majority.

Most churchgoers are trained to defend their denomination to gain more to their church. that is the bottom line. It has nothing to do with what Jesus teaches.

I am of the impression that there is only one Christianity; one Body. Will you be dividing the South from the North as well?
 

meshak

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I am of the impression that there is only one Christianity; one Body. Will you be dividing the South from the North as well?

You don't seem to have capability to see evil deeds, friend.

If you keep silent about evil deeds, you are sharing the same guilt.

do you know Jesus says to come out of Babylon?


Babylon is disobedient organizations.

You need to take heed of His word.

You are being enabler of evil deeds at Jesus' expense.
 
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