Salvation in its fourfold aspects !

[beloved57]

The Salvation of God in Christ in its biblical testimony is fourfold. Its presented from an eternal aspect, legal historical, subjective and finally glorification.

All men who shall ever be saved in and by Christ are first and foremost saved by and in Gods Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus, wherein Grace was given them in Him before the World began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Who hath saved us according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

From Gods Eternal perspective which perspective is outside of time, the Elect of God, those Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4, have always been saved from Gods Wrath to come for sin, in His Eternal Decree they have always been appointed to Salvation and not Wrath as others 1 Thess 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Yes, some and maybe even most of mankind have been appointed to wrath, Paul terms them the vessels of wrath which are fitted for destruction See Rom 9:21-22, but those appointed to mercy and salvation from everlasting are the vessels of mercy Rom 9:23-24; Ps 103:17

 

[beloved57]

Secondly, All men who shall ever be saved in and by Christ are saved legally and historically in time when the actual payment for their Salvation was accomplished at the Cross of Christ, It was
then He paid the full price for their Salvation, Jn 19:30. However be mindful as far as Gods Eternal Purpose in Christ was concerned, Christ had been slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 and foreordained to redeem Gods Elect before the world began 1Pet 1:20

²⁰ Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, So the Saving Redeeming Effects of the Cross and Blood of Christ was before and after His Death in time, which historically is dated for 33 ad. In time He was made a curse for us [Gods Elect] and redeemed us from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13; Gal 4:4-5

So even from everlasting the Cross in time was focal !

 

[beloved57]

Thirdly Salvation is subjectively by the Spirit and the Word of the Gospel. So every sinner that is saved by the eternal purpose of God, and the legal historical transaction of the cross in time, shall be saved subjectively. This means they will experience a new birth Spiritually by the Spirit Jn 3:6-8

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Now the saved sinner needs a Sovereign Act of the Spirit in them, in order to the saving that comes through the word of God . In other words there must be a saving by the Spirit before there can be a saving by the preached word. So in my opinion the bible teaches subjective Salvation in two parts, new birth and through the preached word. 2 Thess 2:13-14 sheds for that truth.

 

[beloved57]

So after the Spirit does His Sanctifying and Renewing Work in us, implanting a new mind, heart, will and affections, which things give Spiritual receptivity of the things of God, its then we are saved from the darkness and delusion of false hopes and religion, and receive the truth of the Gospel, which saves us. Thats why Paul writes scriptures like 1 Cor 1:21

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The saving here isn't the saving from the penalty of sin, no that was accomplished by the eternal purpose and legal savings of God in Christ. However even with that the elect are still born blind and dead to God, and need saving in that regard as well. Again Paul says some will be saved by hearing sound doctrine 1 Tim 4:16

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine[Gospel]; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 

[Nanja]

So after the Spirit does His Sanctifying and Renewing Work in us, implanting a new mind, heart, will and affections, which things give Spiritual receptivity of the things of God, its then we are saved from the darkness and delusion of false hopes and religion, and receive the truth of the Gospel, which saves us. Thats why Paul writes scriptures like 1 Cor 1:21

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The saving here isn't the saving from the penalty of sin, no that was accomplished by the eternal purpose and legal savings of God in Christ. However even with that the elect are still born blind and dead to God, and need saving in that regard as well. Again Paul says some will be saved by hearing sound doctrine 1 Tim 4:16

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine[Gospel]; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Amen Brother to all four parts: Excellent !

 

[Bradley D]

So are sinners part of the elect and forordained?

"…And the grace of our Lord overflowed to me, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst. But for this very reason I was shown mercy, so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His perfect patience as an example to those who would believe in Him for eternal life.…"(1 Tim. 1:14-16).

 

[beloved57]

So are sinners part of the elect and forordained?

"…And the grace of our Lord overflowed to me, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst. But for this very reason I was shown mercy, so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His perfect patience as an example to those who would believe in Him for eternal life.…"(1 Tim. 1:14-16).

So did you understand my post points ? Thats what this thread is about to discuss !

 

[beloved57]

And finally Salvation is Glorification which is final deliverance from the presence of sin and glorification of our bodies. Paul writes this in Romans:

Rom 13:11

¹¹ And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Paul is writing this statement to saved believing saints, yet he writes of a Savation being nearer. This is Glorification. This is final Salvation. Jesus speaks of it here Lk 21:27-28

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

²⁸ And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Eph 4:30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 Thess 5:8

But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Heb 9:28

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

1 Pet 1:5,9

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Phil 3:20-21

²⁰ For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

²¹ Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

 

[Nanja]

And finally Salvation is Glorification which is final deliverance from the presence of sin and glorification of our bodies. Paul writes this in Romans:

Rom 13:11

¹¹ And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Paul is writing this statement to saved believing saints, yet he writes of a Savation being nearer. This is Glorification. This is final Salvation. Jesus speaks of it here Lk 21:27-28

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

²⁸ And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Eph 4:30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 Thess 5:8

But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Heb 9:28

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

1 Pet 1:5,9

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.​​​​​​​

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Phil 3:20-21

²⁰ For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

²¹ Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Amen, and we are very near now to that Blessed Event !

And just as you have pointed out Brother, these Four Aspects of Salvation: Eternal, Historical, Subjective and Glorification pertain to God's elect exclusively Eph. 1:4, which were already Saved, Made Righteous before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9 by a Divine Supernatural Intervention of God's Grace, and for whom in time, Christ was made a curse for Gal. 3:13; and Made Righteous Rom. 5:19; Rom. 5:9; and so as a result, shall be Saved subjectively in time by the renewing of the Holy Ghost through Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth 2 Thess. 2:13-14; and which as a Blessed Effect, shall all come out of false religion of the Beast, and ultimately receive their Glorified Body Phil. 3:21.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[beloved57]

Amen, and we are very near now to that Blessed Event !

And just as you have pointed out Brother, these Four Aspects of Salvation: Eternal, Historical, Subjective and Glorification pertain to God's elect exclusively Eph. 1:4, which were already Saved, Made Righteous before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9 by a Divine Supernatural Intervention of God's Grace, and for whom in time, Christ was made a curse for Gal. 3:13; and Made Righteous Rom. 5:19; Rom. 5:9; and so as a result, shall be Saved subjectively in time by the renewing of the Holy Ghost through Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth 2 Thess. 2:13-14; and which as a Blessed Effect, shall all come out of false religion of the Beast, and ultimately receive their Glorified Body Phil. 3:21.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Amen Sister, you nailed it !

 

[beloved57]

Salvation is a excellent work of God !

It begins with Gods Election to Salvation from eternity Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Then we have Gods sanctification 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Then we have Gods Call 2 Thess 2:14

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

We have Gods preservation unto Glory

Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

2 Thess 2:14

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[JudgeRightly]

This entire post is you cherry picking verses to fit your dogma.

I recommend reading the verses in context.

Salvation is a excellent work of God!

It begins with Gods Election to Salvation from eternity Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

You're misreading it, probably intentionally.

You keep seeing "us" and automatically skip the "in Him" part.

He chose [us in Him].

He did not choose [them not in Him].

He chose a group, not individuals. He tells us how to become a part of that group, in Romans 10:13.

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Another instance where you ignore what is plainly written.

Read:

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. - 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians2:13-15&version=NKJV

Did you notice anything?

Here's the passage again, but with me adding notes to it to clarify it for you:

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief [JR: Romans 10:10, 11] in the truth,to which He called you by our gospel [JR: Romans 10:14], for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. - 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians2:13-15&version=NKJV

God calls people THROUGH THE GOSPEL!

The lost can come IF THEY ARE CALLED, and they can be called through the Gospel!

And it's done FROM the beginning, not "at the beginning."

There's a huge difference!

From the beginning, God has chosen people for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

That's what it says! That's ALL it says!

It doesn't say that He chose individuals BEFORE the beginning, nor does it say that He chose individuals period!

Then we have Gods sanctification 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Then we have Gods Call 2 Thess 2:14

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Talk about taking things out of order.

1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Called through the preaching of the Gospel, 2 Thessalonians 2:14!

We have Gods preservation unto Glory

Chapter verse.

Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Does not say what you said it says above.

2 Thess 2:14

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Supra.

 

[beloved57]

I agree with writer Stanley Phillips:

Salvation is much more comprehensive than many people seem to realize. It certainly transcends all the little humanly devised “plans of salvation.” In a purposeful manner, all God’s people were “saved” in the covenant of grace by divine election. That is, they were objects of God’s particular and everlasting love even before the foundation of the world. (Jer. 3 1:3) They were by election given to the eternal Son of God, and thus in this sense, were saved from perdition. By that divine choice, they were never numbered with the “sons of perdition” such as Judas. (See John 17:12; Philippians 1:28; II Thess 2:3; I Tim. 6:9; Heb. 10:39; II Peter 3:7; and Rev. 17:8, 11) From eternal election, they were sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ.” (Jude l) As our text states: They were both SAVED and CALLED according to God’s own “purpose and grace,” and this “before the world began.” It should be noted that, in the text, “saved” precedes “called.” That is, the whole number of God’s elect are as saved and safe IN Christ by divine election in the purpose of God, as though they were in fact already in the presence of eternal glory.

This corresponds with what I wrote earlier about Salvation in its Eternal Aspect.

 

[marke]

I agree with writer Stanley Phillips:



This corresponds with what I wrote earlier about Salvation in its Eternal Aspect.

At what point in time did you get born again? Before the earth began? Before you were born? After you were born? Were you estranged from God by wicked works before you were born again?

1 Corinthians 12

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

 

[JudgeRightly]

At what point in time did you get born again? Before the earth began? Before you were born? After you were born?

Yes, to all of those, because according to Calvinism, God is timeless, exists outside of time.

The timeless God cannot tell the current time.

Were you estranged from God by wicked works before you were born again?

1 Corinthians 12

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

 

[beloved57]

At what point in time did you get born again? Before the earth began? Before you were born? After you were born? Were you estranged from God by wicked works before you were born again?

1 Corinthians 12

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

A person is born again whenever God has decided it to occur friend. Its according to His Purpose just like physical birth is Ecc 3:1-2

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Have you read and understood the different aspects of Salvation I have presented ? What are they sir ?

 

[JudgeRightly]

A person is born again whenever God has decided it to occur friend. Its according to His Purpose just like physical birth is

In other words, you have no idea.

Ecc 3:1-2

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Have you read and understood the different aspects of Salvation I have presented ? What are they sir ?

 

[beloved57]

In other words, you have no idea.

What are the fourfold of aspects of Salvation I shared sir ?

 

[JudgeRightly]

What are the fourfold of aspects of Salvation I shared sir ?

Why does it matter, when your premises are false?

(Eternal, Historical, Subjective and Glorification)

 

[marke]

A person is born again whenever God has decided it to occur friend. Its according to His Purpose just like physical birth is Ecc 3:1-2

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Have you read and understood the different aspects of Salvation I have presented ? What are they sir ?

So, do you believe that before you were born again you were no different than other lost sinners, a stranger from God's covenant and people, having no hope, immersed in sin and outside the commonwealth of Jesus' kingdom? Or were you better than that?

Ephesians 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: