Please quote the verse which support your ideas.
Hi Jerry and I wrote them in post 20 ,Gen 3:7-10 and Gen 3:21 !!
If you are not understanding these 2 verses , say so and will be glad to EXPLAIN THEM !
At least try ?
dan p
Please quote the verse which support your ideas.
Hi Jerry and I wrote them in post 20 ,Gen 3:7-10 and Gen 3:21 !!
If you are not understanding these 2 verses , say so and will be glad to EXPLAIN THEM !
At least try ?
dan p
So you think that those two passages teach that both Adam and Eve were saved? OK, were they saved by works or grace?
Hi Jerry and the reason Adam is NOT found in Heb 11:4 and it because the walked by FAITH and believed and did what God told them to do , WORKS !!
No one has ever been saved by his works or by his deeds. In order to be saved in that way a person must "continue" in well doing and that means that person cannot sin:
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile" (Ro.2:5-9).
Both Adam and Eve sinned.
Hi Jerry and they sinned , so what ? Are you better than them ?
Dan, if Adam and Eve gained eternal life by their "works" then the had to "continue" in good works or deeds:
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile" (Ro.2:5-9).
When they sinned they didn't continue in well doing and so it is impossible that they were saved by works.
Hi Jerry , and the Greek ATONEMENT HAS TO UNDERSTOOD as in Gen 3:21 God provided the blood sacrifice ,
In Heb 11: 8 Abraham obeyed
in verse , 24 , Moses m refused to be called the son of Pharaoh
in verse 28 Moses kept the PASSOVER
dan p
What's your point, Dan?
Are you saying that Abraham was saved by works because he obeyed?
Hi Jerry and how then was Adam then SAVED , by WORKS or by GRACE trough FAITH ?
dan p
Dan, if Adam was saved he was saved by faith through grace. No one has ever been saved by his works.