Sacrifices

[Oleander]

Is the sacrifice system was a command from God or the Jews make it up ?

If it was from God, then why God deny any such command and almost all the prophets and Jesus condoms the act?

like: Jer. 7:22 , Matt. 9:13 , Isaiah 1:11-14

My second question is: Did God describe blood to wipe out all sins or just for certain ones?

 

[Caino]

Blood sacrifices were a part of evolved religions around the world. The Israelites adopted the practice from the Pagans. Jesus didn't teach sacrifices, he taught a change of heart and allegiance to Gods will.

 

[Right Divider]

Blood sacrifices were a part of evolved religions around the world. The Israelites adopted the practice from the Pagans. Jesus didn't teach sacrifices, he taught a change of heart and allegiance to Gods will.

Jesus taught the law... including the sacrifices.

Mat 8:1-4 KJV When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him. (2) And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. (3) And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. (4) And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

See Leviticus 13-14

 

[Bradley D]

The idea of the sacrifice for sin was the killing of an innocent (animal) without sin. Moses was given the commandments of sacrifice in the Pentateuch. Animals do not sin. Thus, the idea was to feel guilty for the killing and spilling of innocent/blood and not sin no more. But, it did not work. The streets ran with the blood of sacirifices and sin continued. Then the pharisees believed they could obey all the commandments and earn their way into heaven. Thus God sent Jesus to be the ultimate sacrifice for all sins. Thus ended all sacrfices.

 

[ttruscott]

If it was from God, then why God deny any such command and almost all the prophets and Jesus condoms the act?

Did GOD not give them a king against all HIS arguments against their having a king?

Please consider:
The one reason that we live on this planet is for the redemption of HIS sinful elect. Period. When the last sinful elect finally repents fully unto holiness, then we will see the judgement that was postponed come upon the reprobate. It is the sins of the elect that forced the postponement of the judgment, as they must live with the demonic tares (those who sinned the unforgivable sin) to keep HIS sinful elect from being pulled up and burnt with the evil ones and to learn why they must fully come out from among them and touch not their unclean things, ideas and ways of life: Numbers 16:21,26,45 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment…

In bringing us to accept that the final judgement is an absolute necessity and to bring all HIS sinful elect to faith HE gave us ancestors to emulate, holy men to emulate, leaders and prophets to tell us the way, and kings, all to show the failure of any/ every worldly system to bring any (not even one) reprobate to repentance to prove to the sinful elect the eternal evil of the tares and that HIS call for the judgement of banishment to hell upon the goats is an absolute necessity.

 

[Right Divider]

The idea of the sacrifice for sin was the killing of an innocent (animal) without sin. Moses was given the commandments of sacrifice in the Pentateuch. Animals do not sin. Thus, the idea was to feel guilty for the killing and spilling of innocent/blood and not sin no more. But, it did not work. The streets ran with the blood of sacirifices and sin continued. Then the pharisees believed they could obey all the commandments and earn their way into heaven. Thus God sent Jesus to be the ultimate sacrifice for all sins. Thus ended all sacrfices.

Brad... that's a cute story. How about actually confirming it from scripture?

 

[DAN P]

Blood sacrifices were a part of evolved religions around the world. The Israelites adopted the practice from the Pagans. Jesus didn't teach sacrifices, he taught a change of heart and allegiance to Gods will.

Hi Caino , and God taught Moses , that the Law was Purged with BLOOD in Heb 9:22 AND this is what was taught to Adam and Eve in Gen 3:21 , which pictured ATONEMENT !!

This precedes the so-called practice of Pagans !!

dan p

 

[Bradley D]

Brad... that's a cute story. How about actually confirming it from scripture?

Jesus was a perfect sacrifice because His body and blood were sinless. Why did Jesus have be sacrificed.

"God presented him as an atoning sacrifice in his blood, received through faith, to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his restraint God passed over the sins previously committed" (Romans 3:25).

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus was a perfect sacrifice because His body and blood were sinless. Why did Jesus have be sacrificed.

"God presented him as an atoning sacrifice in his blood, received through faith, to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his restraint God passed over the sins previously committed" (Romans 3:25).

Were you aware that not all sacrifices were for sin?

 

[Idolater]

The idea of the sacrifice for sin was the killing of an innocent (animal) without sin. Moses was given the commandments of sacrifice in the Pentateuch. Animals do not sin. Thus, the idea was to feel guilty for the killing and spilling of innocent/blood and not sin no more. But, it did not work. The streets ran with the blood of sacirifices and sin continued. Then the pharisees believed they could obey all the commandments and earn their way into heaven. Thus God sent Jesus to be the ultimate sacrifice for all sins. Thus ended all sacrfices.

Temporally, for sure. But eternally. His sacrifice is eternal. "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".

 

[Bradley D]

Were you aware that not all sacrifices were for sin?

Yes. Also other sacrifices not for sin where used as food for the Priests and Levites.

 

[Right Divider]

Yes. Also other sacrifices not for sin where used as food for the Priests and Levites.

In the kingdom of heaven there will be sacrifices, but not for sin.

 

[Bradley D]

In the kingdom of heaven there will be sacrifices, but not for sin.

"Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise--the fruit of lips that openly profess his name" (Hebrews 9:9)

 

[Oleander]

We know sacrifices or qurbans established for the sinners to offer some material of his as penalty to please his creator so may he forgive him.
question: when God offer Jesus as a sacrifice, the offering was to please whom?

 

[Idolater]

"Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise--the fruit of lips that openly profess his name" (Hebrews 9:9)

I never before noticed how much that verse evokes Sunday Mass. (The continual sacrifice and the openly professing His name.)

 

[Caino]

Hi Caino , and God taught Moses , that the Law was Purged with BLOOD in Heb 9:22 AND this is what was taught to Adam and Eve in Gen 3:21 , which pictured ATONEMENT !!

This precedes the so-called practice of Pagans !!

dan p

Blood sacrifices are a part of evolved religion, God never told anyone to kill animals as a substitute for genuine repentance. The scriptures are written in "preacher speak", as if God were talking. That's how religions create scripture.

Primitive people didn't have a concept of forgiveness like Jesus taught. They attempted to manipulate the Gods in all sorts of ways.

God is a forgiving Father.

 

[Right Divider]

Blood sacrifices are a part of evolved religion, God never told anyone to kill animals as a substitute for genuine repentance. The scriptures are written in "preacher speak", as if God were talking. That's how religions create scripture.

Primitive people didn't have a concept of forgiveness like Jesus taught. They attempted to manipulate the Gods in all sorts of ways.

God is a forgiving Father.

Blaspheme will get you nowhere.

Jesus said that His blood was shed for the remission of sins.

Mat 26:28 KJV For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

You are a liar and a blasphemer.

 

[Caino]

Blaspheme will get you nowhere.

Jesus said that His blood was shed for the remission of sins.



You are a liar and a blasphemer.

Was killing Jesus a sin?

Jesus didn't seem to be on board with your claim that he came to be rejected.

"39“Abraham is our father, they replied.

“Ifyou werechildrenof Abraham,saidJesus,“you would dotheworksof Abraham.40Butnowyou are tryingto killMe,a manwhohas toldyouthetruththatI heardfromGod.Abrahamneverdidsuch a thing.41Youare doingtheworksofyourfather.

“We are not illegitimate children, they declared. “Our only Father is God Himself.

42 Jesus said to them, “IfGodwereyourFather,you would loveMe,forIhave comeherefromGod.I have not comeonMy own,butHesentMe.

43Whydo you not understandwhatIam saying?It is becauseyou are unableto acceptMymessage.44Youbelong toyourfather,thedevil,andyou wantto carry outhisdesires.Hewasa murdererfromthe beginning,refusingto upholdthetruth,becausethere isnotruthinhim.


There are (2) gospels in the NT, fragments of the original taught by Jesus for 3+ years/salvation by faith and the responsibility of being a son of God, and the the after-cross speculation, compromise gospel to bring the Pagans.

The term "blasphemy" was invented by Democrat type of brains, 'how dare you question our authority'.

 

[Caino]

Just because Jesus became aware that his Gospel was going to be rejected by the Jews and that they were going to kill him, doesn't in any way mean that it was his or his Fathers will that they do so!

The cross was an astonishing act of "turning the other cheek".

 

[Oleander]

Please can someone cite from the holy bible where is God, the prophets or Jesus demand that : God, son of God or any human must die for us to be safe?