Ron Paul is pro-choice on abortion, state by state

[PKevman]

That's my title, and it seems others have said so as well after studying. so it stands, now please answer the question posed. Thanks!

Who cares what others have said. I want you to establish THAT position first. That is the foundation your whole view of the American Civil War stands on. That the North was unjustified, right? The South was innocent, Lincoln was Satan.......

 

[drbrumley]

No it is not, that is what we called it in the South from the beginning of Lincoln’s call to arms.

It is often called ‘The War Between the States’, it was not actually a ‘civil war’ until we lost

Thank you.

 

[PKevman]

Is that really his last name??

If so, why do you insist on using it on a public Internet forum?

I've already answered this before, obviously you missed it. I've known this young man since he was small. Dale is NOT his last name. His dad's name is Stephen also, and myself and most people who know him (including his closest family all of whom I know) refer to him as Stephen Dale. He'll always be Stephen Dale to me because Stephen is his dad.

 

[S†ephen]

Night all.

and Stephen or Stephen Dale only.

 

[Mr. 5020]

I've already answered this before, obviously you ignored it.

There's a better chance that I just missed it. :idunno:

I've known this young man since he was small. Dale is NOT his last name. His dad's name is Stephen also, and myself and most people who know him (including his closest family all of whom I know) refer to him as buddy or Stephen Dale.

That makes sense.

Though, you got to admit, it is still a little weird.

 

[PKevman]

There's a better chance that I just missed it. :idunno:

That makes sense.

Though, you got to admit, it is still a little weird.

I edited it after I posted it. I should have said missed, it came out wrong. I was thinking you had asked that before but I think it was someone else now. :up:

 

[PKevman]

There's a better chance that I just missed it. :idunno:

That makes sense.

Though, you got to admit, it is still a little weird.

Not really. When you're in a room with two guys named Stephen and you say Stephen they would both turn and say "Huh". So we called the son by his first and middle name.

 

[Mr. 5020]

Not really. When you're in a room with two guys named Stephen and you say Stephen they would both turn and say "Huh". So we called the son by his first and middle name.

*insert long explanation about how I was referring to "on TOL only" here*

Back to our regularly scheduled debating...

 

[Ktoyou]

Well this thread is about abortion and Ron Paul; I say I am against abortion and that Ron Paul is not perfect, that is not my augment.

I do think the North pushed us into war by high taffies for their own internal improvements.

As my mother has said, had we known that the north would not honor a state’s right to succeed, we should have fought along side the British, they would have treated us far better than the Yankees, tax wise and otherwise!

 

[PKevman]

*insert long explanation about how I was referring to "on TOL only" here*

Back to our regularly scheduled debating...

:rotfl:

 

[drbrumley]

Who cares what others have said. I want you to establish THAT position first. That is the foundation your whole view of the American Civil War stands on. That the North was unjustified, right? The South was innocent, Lincoln was Satan.......

The North acted against the Constitution in doing what they did. Unless of course your making the absurd claim against all history that the Constitution doesn't allow for succession. And if you are making this absurd claim, please point in the direction where the Constitution says this in the original document.

 

[PKevman]

Well this thread is about abortion and Ron Paul; I say I am against abortion and that Ron Paul is not perfect, that is not my augment.

I do think the North pushed us into war by high taffies for their own internal improvements.

As my mother has said, had we known that the north would not honor a state’s right to succeed, we should have fought along side the British, they would have treated us far better than the Yankees, tax wise and otherwise!

And I have no desire to turn this into a debate about the Civil War either. Unfortunately many false views of current law and government rest on false views of what happened during the war between the states.

 

[PKevman]

The North acted against the Constitution in doing what they did. Unless of course your making the absurd claim against all history that the Constitution doesn't allow for succession. And if you are making this absurd claim, please point in the direction where the Constitution says this in the original document.

I have a family member who wrote some very definitive books on the subject, where most of what he wrote was compiling letters and information from that time period. The real history tells a completely different story.

 

[drbrumley]

I am thinking to do this justice, we need a new thread.

 

[PKevman]

I am thinking to do this justice, we need a new thread.

I agree. I'd be willing and interested to engage you on the subject. As long as we stayed on target. Maybe a one on one would be decent too... :think:

 

[drbrumley]

I agree. I'd be willing and interested to engage you on the subject. As long as we stayed on target. Maybe a one on one would be decent too... :think:

I am game for that. Yankee!

 

[Vine&FigTree]

Ron Paul Press Release

Ron Paul Press Release

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA - Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul, an OB/GYN who has delivered over 4,000 babies, issued the following statement in support of state efforts to pass "Right to Life" amendments:

"The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

"Under our Constitution, the states have the duty to protect citizens against murder, and protecting the unborn from having their right to life violated is no exception.

"I find it unconscionable that the Supreme Court overrules states when they pass pro-life legislation. As president, I will fight to end this judicial tyranny.

"Many talk about being pro-life. In Congress, I am the lead sponsor of HR 2597 the ‘Sanctity of Life Act’ and a similar bill, HR 300 the ‘We the People Act.’ Both bills would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation that protects life. My bills could pass by a simple majority vote and allow states such as Michigan and South Carolina to end abortion immediately.

"I challenge every candidate who claims to be pro life to support these bills to get the Supreme Court out of the life issue so states can quickly and constitutionally protect the unborn."

www.RonPaul2008.com

Bob Enyart says:

Ron Paul claims to believe in the God-given right to life, that human life begins at conception. And right here on the air, I'm calling Ron Paul a liar. Ron Paul is pro-choice.

as well as "hypocrite," "lawless" "moral relativist," "humanist," who "throws off all Biblical morality."

 

[Vine&FigTree]

14th Amendment Facts

14th Amendment Facts

I have posted some resources on the 14th Amendment here. In summary:

1. The 14th Amendment was not legally ratified
2. It was never intended to be used the way the Supreme Court has used it ("Government by judiciary")
3. It applied only to blacks, to give them such rights as entering into contracts, testifying in court, etc.
4. It was never intended to repeal the 10th Amendment or the doctrine of "enumerated powers."
5. It was never intended to apply the First Amendment (e.g., "establishment of religion") or other issues (even abortion) to the states, as has been done by the Supreme Court.
6. It expressly gives power of enforcement to Congress (sec. 5), not to the President, and not to the Supreme Court
7. The Framers of the Constitution, and even many who supported the 14th Amendment, would be appalled at the idea of taking authority from the states and giving more power to the federal government.

I will accuse those on this thread who attack Ron Paul of misunderstanding the Constitution and the 14th Amendment, but I will not accuse them of being "liars," "hypocrites," "lawless" "moral relativists," or "humanists" who "throw off all Biblical morality."

 

[Delmar]

Doc, Vine&Fig
Let's say I buy the premise that Amendment 14 is not valid. Congress, Every US President in recent years, and SCOTUS accept it as valid! Where do we go from here?

 

[Vine&FigTree]

Doc, Vine&Fig
Let's say I buy the premise that Amendment 14 is not valid. Congress, Every US President in recent years, and SCOTUS accept it as valid! Where do we go from here?

Pass Ron Paul's "Sanctity of Life Act" which would IMMEDIATELY overrule Roe v. Wade, freeing states to stop abortion. No longer will the federal government have the power to strike down anti-abortion laws in the states. Simple.

Why would any Christian oppose this? I don't know, but many on this thread do.