ROMANS 2:16 WHAT IS PAUL SAYING?

Grosnick Marowbe

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They reject the truth of the Grace Message. (Paul's Gospel) They would
rather follow their own destructive path. After all, that's their right. Right?
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Those that use, "Other" as a mask of secrecy are interesting. They're either, not
true Christians or they want us to believe they are true Christians so they can
share their false doctrines and oddball belief systems.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Over the past years on TOL, I've asked many "Others" their church or denominational
affiliations. Perhaps, only three have answered that difficult question.
 

daqq

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Should I address you as, "Moron?" Just asking?

Do you not understand that your conscience is your garment? Your own conscience is therefore your own Accuser, and will be your accuser in the end, as Paul says, in that great Day. And if you continue to ignore your conscience, as you currently do, then it will eventually become seared as if with a hot iron, (because it is a garment, O wise one, and that is what happens to any garment that is left untended with a hot iron left sitting upon it in one spot). Do you not even understand what the allegory means to keep your garment spotless? By your above comments and the many more insults you have cast at myself and other posters here, just since having arrived here, you clearly have the conscience of a rainbow spotted four-headed leopard whose god is his belly of brass. However, your next beast will be legion, (the little horn Girgashite warrior and seventh head). :crackup:

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Grosnick Marowbe

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Do you not understand that your conscience is your garment? Your own conscience is therefore your own Accuser, and will be your accuser in the end, as Paul says, in that great Day. And if you continue to ignore your conscience, as you currently do, then it will eventually become seared as if with a hot iron, (because it is a garment, O wise one, and that is what happens to any garment that is left untended with a hot iron left sitting upon it in one spot). Do you not even understand what the allegory means to keep your garment spotless? By your above comments and the many more insults you have cast at myself and other posters here, just since having arrived here, you clearly have the conscience of a rainbow spotted four-headed leopard whose god is his belly of brass. However, your next beast will be legion, (the little horn Girgashite warrior and seventh head). :crackup:

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I don't acknowledge cultists, oddballs, others, etc on this Christian thread.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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There's only one Gospel for today and that is, the Gospel that the
"Ascended Christ" gave to the Apostle Paul. The Grace Message,
(Paul's Gospel) is for the Jew and gentile alike for today. Salvation
through faith by God's Grace.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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The Message is this, Christ died for the sins of ALL mankind, however, only
those who place their faith in Christ and not themselves, will be sealed,
indwelt, and baptized (not by water) into the Body of Christ. Those that
confess (admit) they are sinners and place their faith in Christ will inherit
eternal life. They cannot lose that position in Christ. The Holy Spirit is the
one who does the baptizing of the believer into the Body of Christ.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Those who will stand before God as unbelievers someday, will be
judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire along with
Satan and his demons.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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God's judgment lies ahead. Ignore it, laugh at it, mock it but, someday you
will be standing before God and His judgment will take place. There is no
judgment for those in the "Body of Christ. For they have been "sealed" by
the Holy Spirit.
 

daqq

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Those who will stand before God as unbelievers someday, will be
judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire along with
Satan and his demons.

This shows your foundation in Greek Mythology and not the Scripture. Even the passage you quoted has nothing to do with human beings but is rather a statement concerning "goats", (which are an allegory for devils).

Matthew 25:31-33 KJV
31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matthew 25:41 KJV
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


The everlasting fire is prepared for the devil and his angels. Nowhere does the passage state that human beings will be going there. You simply do not understand the allegorical language of parables which are employed for doctrine, (and therefore your doctrine is corrupt). Goats are no different than the allegorical tares which grow up among the wheat. The human being, (spirit-soul) is the wheat of the inner man while sin dwells in the outer bounds of the flesh, (Romans 7:14-25 KJV). You have to picture yourself like a temple as Yeshua and the apostolic writers clearly tell you that you are. Every temple has an inner sanctuary, its own altar, (which is the heart) and the outer bounds-commons-profane area which represents "the flesh" with its attributes and the eyes and mind thereof. You are putting your own Greek Mythology into the teachings of Yeshua so that you can justify your own paradigm mindset. Yeshua never says anywhere that human beings will be going into eternal conscious torment. Look in the mirror and cast your own devils out of yourself, O man, you have the full Testimony of Yeshua to do just that if only you would receive it and do what he says.

And get yourself some Torah-Tanach training while you are at it:

Strong's Ref. #8163
Romanized sa`iyr
Pronounced saw-eer'
or sa`ir {saw-eer'}; from HSN8175; shaggy; as noun, a he-goat; by analogy, a faun:
KJV--devil, goat, hairy, kid, rough, satyr.

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Caino

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God's judgment lies ahead. Ignore it, laugh at it, mock it but, someday you
will be standing before God and His judgment will take place. There is no
judgment for those in the "Body of Christ. For they have been "sealed" by
the Holy Spirit.

You assume God thinks like you think.
 
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Robert Pate

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In Romans 2:16 Paul states: ("In the day when God shall judge the secrets
of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.")
What "Judgement" do you think Paul is speaking of? When we look at
Revelation 20:12 ("And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book
of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the
books, according to their works.") it gives us an idea of what "Judgement" is
being spoken of.


Some call this, "The Great White Throne Judgement." This is where
the "unsaved" will be judged according to their "works." It mentions
"Works" not "sins" why? The answer is, Christ took care of the sin
question at the cross. He took upon Himself the sins of ALL mankind.
However, only those who place ALL of their faith in Christ and none in
themselves, will receive mercy, forgiveness, and eternal life. The rest
will be judged by their works.

According to Paul, we're living in "The Dispensation of Grace." The
ONLY Gospel today is, Paul's Gospel. (The Grace Gospel) We are
saved by, hearing the Message, placing our faith in Christ as our
Savior, sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit and baptized
(not by water) into the "Body of Christ" by the Holy Spirit.

So, it appears that, Paul is saying that, the "Grace Message"
that the "Ascended Christ" gave to him, is the same message
that will be applied at the "Judgement." Either one accepts
Paul's (Christ's) Message or rejects it! This same Gospel is
for Jew and gentile alike today.

What say you?


I say that you are right on.
 

daqq

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No, he thinks like God thinks.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but God does not sit around neg-reping people two or three times a day and telling them to go to hell. Oh, wait, that last part was not GM but his comrade in arms NM from page one who told me to go to hell, but then again if you think that GM "thinks like God thinks" then you probably think the same about his murder inc partners in spiritual crime, (and no doubt you think you think like God thinks also). Ah well, have a nice thread, O ye god-like thinkers. :)

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Nick M

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Look closer at the portion you did not highlight which I did, (in yellow). The problem is SIN. If you sin without the Torah you will likewise perish without the Torah so your words are empty because you focus only on that portion which suits your own paradigm.

You're clueless. :rotfl:
 
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