Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace

[Samie]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[Ben Masada]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

That's not what Jesus said. What he said was that salvation comes from listening to "Moses" aka the Law. Read Luke 16:29-31. That's how God's grace comes to us; through the knowledge of the Law and not by a faith without the works of the Law. (James
2:26)

 

[Samie]

I mean we're told to REPENT and BELIEVE

Not just BELIEVE

Repenting and believing are human deeds. How is that being saved by grace?

 

[Samie]

That's not what Jesus said. What he said was that salvation comes from listening to "Moses" aka the Law. Read Luke 16:29-31. That's how God's grace comes to us; through the knowledge of the Law and not by a faith without the works of the Law. (James
2:26)

I don't see in the verses you refer to that salvation comes from listening to Moses.

Luke 16:29-31 29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' 30 "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' 31 "But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

Where's that part saying salvation comes from listening to Moses?

 

[Totton Linnet]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

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They's 2 different crowds....the Ephesian crowd have passed from judgement to life.

 

[Samie]

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They's 2 different crowds....the Ephesian crowd have passed from judgement to life.

And who is the other crowd? Are you saying the Ephesian crowd won't get rewarded according to their works?

 

[heir]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

That's not speaking to the same people. Those of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and even preached to by Peter in the Acts period's salvation was/will be dependent upon them doing something by faith (James 2:18 KJV):

Repent, and believe the gospel (Mark 1:4 KJV) by baptism of repentance for the remission of sins (Mark 1:4 KJV, Mark 16:16 KJV, Acts 2:38 KJV), keep the commandments (John 14:15 KJV, Matthew 23:2-3 KJV, John 15:5-10 KJV), endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22 KJV), go through the trial of their faith (1 Peter 1:7 KJV), receiving the end of their faith, even the salvation of their souls (1 Peter 1:9 KJV). That salvation is of the grace that "should" come unto them (Acts 15:11 KJV, 1 Peter 1:10 KJV). They look forward that their sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (which is at what many refer to as the second coming of the Lord (Acts 3:19-21 KJV).

Those like the Ephesians (Ephesians 2:11-13 KJV) to whom Paul wrote the letter are in the but now, where the righteousness of God without the law by the faith of Jesus Christ is unto all and upon all them that believe (Romans 3:21-22 KJV). To be saved today (like the Ephesians) is to trust the Lord believing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) which is where the righteousness of God is revealed (Romans 1:16-17 KJV). Those who have trusted the Lord today having believed the gospel of Christ "are saved" presently (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:2 KJV,Ephesians 2:5 KJV, Ephesians 2:8 KJV). Our salvation is all about what the Lord did in our place; not by works of righteousness which we have done (Romans 4:4-5 KJV, Ephesians 2:4-9 KJV, Titus 3:4-7 KJV). We are baptized BY one Spirit into one Body (not by water for the remission of sins 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV). We have now received the atonement (Romans 5:11 KJV).

 

[TulipBee]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

What is the reward in saving themselves?

 

[Samie]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

That's not speaking to the same people.

The first verse, Matthew 16:27 speaks of each one of us getting rewarded according to works at the second coming which obviously includes the Eph 2:8-9 group who were saved by grace.

Here's KJV:

KJV Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

[Samie]

What is the reward in saving themselves?

Saving themselves from what? From bee sting? Honeycomb, of course!

 

[jamie]

We are baptized BY one Spirit into one Body (not by water for the remission of sins 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV).

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13)​

There is no mention here of water. Baptism by the Holy Spirit into water is a given.

There is also an antitype which now saves us, baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(1 Peter 3:21)​

 

[Nick M]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

What do you think of the contradiction?

 

[Nick M]

That's not what Jesus said.

Sure it is. But it is incomplete. Many Christians don't really like most of the red letters, unless they are "acting" in front of others.

 

[Nick M]

And who is the other crowd? Are you saying the Ephesian crowd won't get rewarded according to their works?

How do you explain the contradiction you posted and then questioned? I would like your take on it. The answer isn't actually that hard.


If the Ephesians worked, it would be counted as debt.

 

[God's Truth]

I mean we're told to REPENT and BELIEVE

Not just BELIEVE

Wow. It is good to hear someone else say that.

 

[God's Truth]

Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace? How?

NJK Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. NKJ Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

The works that Paul was speaking of that do not save are the ceremonial/purification/ regulations.

 

[God's Truth]

That's not what Jesus said. What he said was that salvation comes from listening to "Moses" aka the Law. Read Luke 16:29-31. That's how God's grace comes to us; through the knowledge of the Law and not by a faith without the works of the Law. (James
2:26)

Jesus did not die yet, and when he did, he fulfilled the Law.

Jesus shed his blood for the new law.

You cannot pick and choose what you want to believe our of our Bible and throw out the rest.

 

[God's Truth]

Repenting and believing are human deeds. How is that being saved by grace?

Saved by grace means you only have to have faith that Jesus cleans you of the sins you repent of doing.

It means you did not have to bring an animal to kill.

 

[God's Truth]

I don't see in the verses you refer to that salvation comes from listening to Moses.

Luke 16:29-31 29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' 30 "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' 31 "But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

Where's that part saying salvation comes from listening to Moses?

Jesus says to listen and do what Moses says, but those that do not understand what fulfilled means do not understand what Jesus means.

 

[Samie]

How do you explain the contradiction you posted and then questioned? I would like your take on it. The answer isn't actually that hard.

Were I to post my answer to what you labelled as "contradiction" as presented in the OP, then I would be taking away the fun in the discussion. I reserve my answer for later.

If the Ephesians worked, it would be counted as debt.

Since you started your response to the OP, please continue discussing what you said is an answer not actually that hard.