REPORT: On Over-population

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Six people just survived the sinking of an ocean vessel. They are afloat in a lifeboat with only enough water for five. On board are a doctor, a carpenter, a nurse, a blind elderly woman, a sailor, and a counselor.

Millions of public school students given this scenario are then asked, "Who should be thrown overboard?" Environmentalists designed this exercise to teach public students to solve problems by "eliminating" excess people.

Jacques Cousteau said, "to stabilize the world population we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say," he admitted, "but it's just as bad not to say it." This Hitlerian sentiment, published in UNESCO Courier in November 1991, is not rare among envirochondriacs.

Britain's Prince Philip, president of the Worldwide Fund for Nature, is quoted by The New American's Robert Lee, Sept. 5, 1994 saying that he would like to be reincarnated as a "killer virus to lower human population levels." Prince HIVlip, perhaps?

How does anyone know there is only enough water for five? Utterly discredited, yet an authority to liberals, is Population Bomb author Paul Ehrlich, who has apparently not had a single prediction come true. America, he declared: would have widespread food rationing by the late 70s, would be "literally dying of thirst" by 1984, and would have 65 million famine deaths in the 80s.

Jack Fish, Brighton, Colorado public school teacher, school board member and local columnist insisted on KGOV.com's Bob Enyart Live that the reason for Somalia's famine was their over-population:
Enyart: What is Somalia's population?
Fish: I'm not sure.
Enyart: I'm not asking for an exact number, just to the nearest million.
Fish: I don't know.
Enyart: Well, then, if they are over populated, what is their population density per square mile?
Fish: I don't know.
Somalia's density is 29 people per square mile according to The 1994 World Almanac.
Apocalyptic doomsayers, these enviro-chondriacs flatly invent their facts. Somalia is under-populated, which often does produce famine. Compare Somalia's population density to countries in Western Europe. As a rule of thumb, countries with greater population density have higher standards of living, literacy rates, and life expectancies.

The following numbers indicate the people per square mile for:
Nice Places ------Density-------Lousy Places--------------Density
Austria ----------243-------------Angola--------------------18
Belgium ----------848-------------Bolivi--------------------17
Denmark ----------310-------------Botswana-------------------5
England ----------613-------------Ctrl. Afr. Rep.-----------12
France ----------259-------------Chad----------------------10
Germany ----------583-------------Congo---------------------17
Ireland ----------129-------------Laos----------------------48
Israel ----------605-------------Liberia-------------------64
Italy ----------497-------------Libya----------------------6
Japan ----------830-------------Mozambique----------------50
Luxembourg -------400-------------Namibia--------------------4
Netherlands ------958-------------Niger---------------------16
Poland ----------317-------------Panama--------------------84
Rhode Is.---------848-------------Paraguay------------------31
Spain ------------200-------------Peru----------------------45
Switzerland ------428-------------Russia--------------------22
Athens -------30,237-------------Sudan---------------------29
Boston --------8,172-------------Somalia-------------------29
Paris -------20,185-------------Uruguay-------------------45
Rome -------43,949-------------Venezuela-----------------58
San Fran.-------9,315-------------Zaire---------------------43
Sydney -------10,460-------------Zambia--------------------30
Toronto -------20,420-------------Zimbabwe------------------73


Countries with lower population densities generally have lower standards of living. Notice the scarcity of human beings in the poor nations. Whereas some of the most beautiful places on earth, and certainly the most prosperous and desirable, have tremendously dense populations. Naples, Italy has 48,032 people per square mile and Madrid, Spain has 68,385 ppsm!

In the Far East, Japan, at 830 people per square mile, has a much higher standard of living than countries liberals argue are over-populated such as China, at 315 and India at 700. Taiwan has one of the highest standards of living in the East, with 1,503 people per square mile, with five times the density as those of much lower prosperity on the mainland.

People are assets, not liabilities. Socialists and communists, however, since they must provide for so many helpless dependents, see people as consumers, rather than the producers most are. A few hundred years ago, famine was rampant in North America. Today, with a nearly thousand-fold increase in population, we not only feed ourselves but much of the left-wing world.

If the world's five-billion-plus people went to Colorado for a day, they could fit easily into one speck on the map of Colorado, the 404 square miles of Rocky Mountain National Park. They would not have to squeeze together like sardines, but could stand comfortably. The world's population would double before spilling over into the nearest town.
The sky is falling only in the chicken little minds of the over-population purveyor. Rather than a full house or a crowded lifeboat, an orbiting alien would view our world as nearly empty, as airline passengers can attest.

Paul Ehrlich publicly bet a conservative economist that during the 1980s, natural resources would grow more scarce. Ehrlich choose five minerals to monitor. In 1990, losing the bet, Ehrlich made his wife sign the check, which amounted to over $500. The resources he was sure would become more scarce and therefore more expensive, in reality sold at reduced prices due to their greater availability world-wide.

Even the end-of-the-world prophets admit there is no global food shortage. Famine, like that in the former Soviet Union and in Somalia, results from false ideas, harmful religions and interventionist governments, not from too many people.

The Agricultural Economic Institute at Oxford University has estimated that, with current technology, the world could feed 100 billion people, while it is home to less than one-tenth that number, according to Robert Lee. Rapid progress in agri- and aqua-culture make it impossible to determine the upper limit of our future food supply.

Who do you throw overboard? The sailor, the doctor, the nurse? "No, the old woman is already sick," countless students have decided, "it's her time to go anyway." Planned Parenthood's founder and longtime president Margaret Sanger wrote that the handicapped, including the "blind, deaf, dumb, mute and epileptics," were the "dead weight of human waste." See her Pivot of Civilization, page 112, available through most public libraries.

With that anti-handicapped attitude from Planned Parenthood's founder, it is not surprising that they support killing handicapped unborn children, since they are only "human waste." It is not surprising that Planned Parenthood still gives out awards in Sanger's name.

When people decide that others are better off dead "for their own sake," it is not a far jump to Jacques Cousteau saying they are better off "eliminated" for the good of all. Whatever happened to one-for-all and all-for-one?

Historically, the over-population myth encouraged the brutal slaughter of the French Revolution. Greek philosophers feared the overcrowding of their ancient world. And even further back in time, the Babylonian and Assyrian accounts of the great flood held that, "the gods led by Enlil, agreed to cleanse the earth of an over-populated humanity."

Those who want ultimate control over others have long wielded the over-population myth. Yet 2,800 years ago wise Solomon knew that, "In the multitude of people is the king's honor, but in the lack of people is the destruction of the prince" (Proverbs 14:28).

by Bob Enyart
 
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Nineveh

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Thank you for posting this webmaster :) and thanks to Mr. Enyart for writing it!

~*~*"we must eliminate 350,000 people per day"*~*~

:shiver:
 

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Nineveh said:
Thank you for posting this webmaster :) and thanks to Mr. Enyart for writing it!

~*~*"we must eliminate 350,000 people per day"*~*~

:shiver:
And what is the preferred way of eliminating unwanted people??? click here
 

Nathon Detroit

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YIKES!!!

YIKES!!!

Zakath, are you saying you wouldn't want these slimeballs beheaded?????

Did you read the story?
The three men ``committed acts of sodomy, married each other, seduced young men and attacked those who rebuked them,'' the statement said.
If the men were seducing my children I would sure be the first in line to help with the beheading!
 

Zakath

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These particular men? Probably, not knowing the specifics of the case (like the ages of the "young men" - are we talking 15?, 21?, 25?) I think the punishment could be reasonable, but not for the reasons Rev. Enyart would.

While the webmaster was pointing out abortion as an indiscriminate way of reducing the population, I was making a point that the author of the article he cites (Enyart) has his own favored means of population reduction, executing homosexuals. IIRC, the Rev. Enyart describes this view in his novel. In addition, his disciples have stated this many times on this board in the past.

To clarify, I believe that child abusers should be executed no matter what their sexual orientation. Enyart's judges would order the execution of these men because they were homosexual fornicators even if they had not abused children.
 
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Nathon Detroit

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All hail Zakath!

All hail Zakath!

Zakath states…
These particular men? Probably, not knowing the specifics of the case (like the ages of the "young men" - are we talking 15?, 21?, 25?) I think the punishment could be reasonable, but not for the reasons Rev. Enyart would.
So, your reasons for authorizing the executions are more “right” than Bob’s?

And what do you base that on?
 

Zakath

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Re: All hail Zakath!

Re: All hail Zakath!

Nathon Detroit said:
Zakath states…So, your reasons for authorizing the executions are more “right” than Bob’s?
You're trying to put words in my mouth, Nathon. It's not a question of relative rightness, I believe that Rev. Enyart's desire to kill homosexuals because of their sexual orientation is wrong.

BTW, we spent weeks going around about this last fall. Didn't you learn anything then?

And what do you base that on?
Because an individual's sexual orientation is not a currently capital crime in the US. In current practice, virtually all capital punishment in the US is reserved for for murderers. In most jurisdictions, sexual orientation is not a crime since it does not possess the two elements essential to a crime: an overt act (actus reus) and criminal intent (mens rea).

The sharia law in the Muslim countries has a different set of rules and I am not all that familiar with their logic behind capital punishment.
 

Nathon Detroit

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Zakath states….
You're trying to put words in my mouth, Nathon. It's not a question of relative rightness, I believe that Rev. Enyart's desire to kill homosexuals because of their sexual orientation is wrong.
OK, so you believe that Enyarts view that homosexuality is a capital crime is wrong. What do you base that belief on, and why should others agree with you?

You continue…
BTW, we spent weeks going around about this last fall. Didn't you learn anything then?
I am glad you remember! And I did learn something….. Zakath has a bankrupt worldview!

You continue…
Because an individual's sexual orientation is not a currently capital crime in the US. In current practice, virtually all capital punishment in the US is reserved for for murderers. In most jurisdictions, sexual orientation is not a crime since it does not possess the two elements essential to a crime: an overt act (actus reus) and criminal intent (mens rea).
But there was a time in this country when homosexuality was a crime, therefore by your logic there was a time when you would have agreed that homosexuality SHOULD be a criminal.

Furthermore…. There are many places still today in where homosexuality IS a capital crime. Are those countries WRONG for having laws that state homosexuality is a capital crime?
 

Projill

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OK, so you believe that Enyarts view that homosexuality is a capital crime is wrong. What do you base that belief on, and why should others agree with you?

Because it's ridiculous. Because it's unenlightened. Because it would involve the slaughter of not only myself but also the majority of my friends. Pretty good reasons in my mind. But then I have a bankrupt world view.

I am glad you remember! And I did learn something….. Zakath has a bankrupt worldview!

And you have yet to establish that claim beyond a reasonable doubt. Why didn't you do that last year?

But there was a time in this country when homosexuality was a crime, therefore by your logic there was a time when you would have agreed that homosexuality SHOULD be a criminal.

I have a feeling that if Zak had lived back then he wouldn't have agreed with the law. But I might be wrong. I would have been an abolitionist when it came to that law. Kinda like slavery abolitionists in their "wrong" world view felt about slavery.

Furthermore…. There are many places still today in where homosexuality IS a capital crime. Are those countries WRONG for having laws that state homosexuality is a capital crime?

Yes.
 

beanieboy

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Pink Triagles. Hologaust. Gassing. The execution of homosexuals.

That was a good idea? We should be commending Hitler?
 

Projill

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beanieboy said:
Pink Triagles. Hologaust. Gassing. The execution of homosexuals.

That was a good idea? We should be commending Hitler?

No because Hitler was "wrong" and what he did was "evil". Enyart's different because he's "right" and "Godly" TM. :rolleyes:
 

Zarathustra

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"OK, so you believe that Enyarts view that homosexuality is a capital crime is wrong. What do you base that belief on, and why should others agree with you?"

Because the basis of freedom is that a person should be able to be left alone to do as they please unless they are harming someone else. Unfortunately, Enyart and his three or four faithful listeners/devotees have never bothered to think through the basis of rights. That's probably because they were all educated in small relegious schools that never taught them how to think critically.
 

Nineveh

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Zar, why can't my freedom reserve the right not to have other people's sexuality "in my face"?

"Because the basis of freedom is that a person should be able to be left alone to do as they please unless they are harming someone else."

"Since 1984, in response to the AIDS epidemic, sex establishments in San Francisco have operated under strict guidelines that ban private rooms and require the presence of a monitor to ensure safe sex practices." http://www.actupsf.com/articles_letters/bathhouse/070299.htm

As of the end of the December 2000, 774,467 AIDS cases in the USA had been reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)..

Of these,


82% were men,
17% were women
and 1% were children less than 13 years of age;

43% were in whites,
38% in blacks,
18% in Hispanics,
<1% in Asians and Pacific Islanders,
and <1% in American Indians and Alaska Natives;

46% were in men who have sex with men (MSM),
25% in injecting drug users,
11% in persons infected heterosexually, and 1% in persons infected through blood or blood products.

http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm

The biggest catagories here are men who commit sodomy and men who use injected drugs. It appears both are harmful behaviors. To themselves, and others. According to your statement, Zar, shouldn't this be prohibited behavior in a free society?
 

Zakath

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Nathon Detroit said:
….But there was a time in this country when homosexuality was a crime, therefore by your logic there was a time when you would have agreed that homosexuality SHOULD be a criminal.
First, to my knowledge, homosexuality (the sexual orientation) was never a crime either federally or locally. Sodomy (certain types of sexual activity) was a crime. ;)

OK, so you believe that Enyarts view that homosexuality is a capital crime is wrong. What do you base that belief on, and why should others agree with you?
His view is against the law in the country he chooses to live in. If he doesn't like it here, maybe he should go live in a country like Saudi Arabia or Iran.

Furthermore…. There are many places still today in where homosexuality IS a capital crime. Are those countries WRONG for having laws that state homosexuality is a capital crime? [/B]

Let's restate your argument a bit, Nathon. Furthermore... there are many places today where trying to convert people to Christianity is a capital crime. Are those countries WRONG for having laws that state that trying to convert their citizens to what they consider to be a pagan religion is a capital crime?
 
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Pilgrimagain

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"Millions of highschool students are given this test."

Says who? Which schools? Is this a real statistic or is it another enyart "illustration?"

Pilgrim
 

Zarathustra

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Pilgrimagain said:
"Millions of highschool students are given this test."

Says who? Which schools? Is this a real statistic or is it another enyart "illustration?"

Pilgrim

Yeah I was wondering the same thing.
 

Zarathustra

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Nineveh said:
Zar, why can't my freedom reserve the right not to have other people's sexuality "in my face"?


It does. If someone sticks their pillypacker in your face, that's against the law. the problem with right wing wackos is that you think if a gay guy lives on the other side of your city, he's putting it in your face.


The biggest catagories here are men who commit sodomy and men who use injected drugs. It appears both are harmful behaviors. To themselves, and others. According to your statement, Zar, shouldn't this be prohibited behavior in a free society?

No. Ninevah are trying to say you've never committed sodomy?
 
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