Religious Zealotry

[JudgeRightly]

Hmm, how are businesses becoming "pro pedophile" exactly?

Take Disney, for example:

Disney Introduces Groomer Toys For Your Children * 100PercentFedUp.com * by Frank Schaefer

Disney has faced immense pushback from parents and Republican politicians for inserting itself in to the debate over Ron DeSantis’ […]

100percentfedup.com

Earth To Disney: Kids Film Directed by Convicted Child Molester | KGOV.com

kgov.com

Disney Includes Homosexual Kiss Scene in Upcoming Kids Film ‘Lightyear’ · Caldron Pool

"Creatives within the studio have been working for years to incorporate LGBTQ identity into its storytelling in ways big and small."

caldronpool.com

Or State Farm:

Shocker: State Farm Abandons Grooming Book Program for Kids in Florida After National Backlash | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

As Cassandra at The Gateway Pundit reported on Monday — Auto insurance company State Farm has partnered with the “GenderCool Project” to supply transgender books for students as young as kindergarten to schools in Florida.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

I don't agree with any primary schools bringing sex into teaching at all.

Seattle high school claims that 80 percent of its students identify as LGBTQ+, non-binary, or transgender

twitchy.com

https://therightscoop.com/watch-colorado-parent-silenced-by-school-board-after-reading-graphic-book-available-to-school-kids/

Fury as teacher asks girl, 12, to art club that was transgender group

Erin Lee, whose daughter attended Wellington Middle School up until last week, says her daughter was told by a guest speaker she may be transgender and that her family was not safe.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Texas Supreme Court Rules That the State May Conduct Abuse Investigations Into Parents of Transgender Children | TIMCAST

The Texas Supreme Court has ruled that the state may continue abuse investigations into the parents of transgender children who are receiving...

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Glenn Youngkin Signs Bill Requiring Parents’ Notification of Sexually Explicit Curriculum › American Greatness

On Friday, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin (R-Va.) signed a bill into law that requires all school districts to notify the parents of students if any sexually explicit material is to be taught in the…

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It's a fact that laws have become more stringent where it comes to the protection of children, from molesting to parental abuse etc.

Yet more and more children are being harmed.

Which means either the laws don't work, or they're part of the problem.

I could care less about your legalism in regards to how society should treat homosexual people, what they deserve and what others deserve who disagree with zealots on the score.

That's called apathy, Arty. Also known as hatred.

If you love your neighbor, then you warn them that what they are doing is harmful to not only themselves, but also those around them.

I don't defend pedophilia in any way, shape or form and am adamantly against anything that causes harm to kids

Good. Then you should condemn the left for being pro-pedophilia.

"Mess"?

Yes, it might be hard to see from your position in the pigsty, but for those of us who refuse to partake in it, it's as plain as the nose on one's face that society is a mess right now, collapsing, even.

You mean societies that value freedom and equality?

Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive concepts.

Prisons make people equal.

Freedom allows people to be themselves, and results in inequality. Some people are better at building things, others are better at running a business. Women are generally better at raising children, while men are generally better at being breadwinners. Women are more emotional, while men are more physical.

The left is trying to make everyone equal, but to do so, it has to erode away freedom.

That don't discriminate on race, gender, orientation etc?

Racism is wrong.

There are only two genders, male and female. There is nothing inherently wrong with recognizing a distinction between the two, and hiring accordingly.

Sexual orientation of everyone should be straight. It's only the pile of homos and their supporters that make it into such a big deal.

Maybe you would have preferred life back in the ages past but most wouldn't.

Irrelevant.

You wanna be glad of the freedoms you have instead of finding fault. You're a darn sight freer than people in other countries.

And yet, we're not as free as we could be.

 

[Rusha]

I identify as overly zealous.

Not to me you don’t. If you did, you would be on my ignore list. Read the tone of your posts as compared to others. We know them by their name-calling and second-grade *debate* skills.

 

[PureX]

I am a zealous ideologue.

I just want to make sure that you know that when you say "zealous ideologue" that's me.

It appears to me that when a person recognizes, honestly, that they can always be wrong even when they feel and think they are right, they are no longer a zealot. They become a human; one among many, as opposed to imagining themselves to be some sort of infallible demigod, lording their imagined righteousness over everyone they encounter.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Why did you leave ... "of Judaism" off when you quoted me?

Because Judaism is based off of the Hebrew Scriptures, aka the Old Testament.

You totally changed the meaning of the sentence,

Not enough to make a difference.

and so your reply has nothing to do with the sentence of mine that you quoted.

Wrong.

It shows how shallow your understanding is of the issue.

Homosexuality was a crime in society for 3500 years, prior to 1962, punishable by death, regardless of what Judaism says about it.

What is it going to take for it to sink in that there are millions upon millions of Americans that aren't your sect of Christianity?

Morality is absolute, universal.

"Do not murder" applies equally to the Christian and non-Christian alike.

You keep wanting to limit morality to Christianity, but you cannot, because it is not.

They have the same rights as you do and are as much citizen as you.

Agreed, because all of humanity is endowed by his Creator with his God-given rights.

But those rights do not include being a homosexual or murderer or kidnapper or thief.

Catholicism doesn't interfere with my rights as a U.S. citizen, which is not sad at all.

Again, you keep wanting to make this about a specific religion.

As I said above, morality is universal, it applies equally to everyone no matter what religion they hold to. It's just as wrong for a buddhist to murder as it is a Christian.

This is a good thing. The Church had its centuries as an actual political power and it doesn't anymore, which is also a good thing.

No one here is advocating that any church have political power.

What I and others are advocating is an equal application of morality across the board, based on what God has told us through His word, the Bible, is good and evil.

 

[Idolater]

Not to me you don’t. If you did, you would be on my ignore list. Read the tone of your posts as compared to others. We know them by their name-calling and second-grade *debate* skills.

It appears to me that when a person recognizes, honestly, that they can always be wrong even when they feel and think they are right, they are no longer a zealot. They become a human; one among many, as opposed to imagining themselves to be some sort of infallible demigod, lording their imagined righteousness over everyone they encounter.

I am telling you I am those things, I am overly zealous, I am zealously ideological and I'm a religious zealot. I identify as those things. And if you disagree, I will prove it!

I understand you're having a negative experience in your encounters with some users. I can see what you see and I experience it too. But it is not excessive zeal.

It's much more just impropriety, to give it a name. It's just impropriety. And impropriety isn't welcoming. It's abrasive. Repellent.

Impropriety attaches to any subject, people with impropriety can get jazzed about anything. If someone's jazzed about Jesus, but they have impropriety, then maybe you call them a religious zealot, but all I'm looking at when I label someone something unethical, is where they're advocating for violating human rights. Impropriety doesn't necessarily mean rights violations, although rights violators don't care about impropriety, but that doesn't mean those with impropriety are necessarily rights violators or promoting rights violation.

So if I'm not a zealot, then it's because I do not promote or approve rights violation. It's not because I lack impropriety. I lack impropriety, but I also condemn rights violation, and the latter thing is what makes me not a zealot, not the former.

I just don't want you to inadvertently lump me in with rights violators. I am overly zealous and zealously ideological about America, and avoiding rights violations was the whole point when our framers completed the Constitution.

 

[Rusha]

I am telling you I am those things, I am overly zealous, I am zealously ideological and I'm a religious zealot. I identify as those things. And if you disagree, I will prove it!

I understand you're having a negative experience in your encounters with some users. I can see what you see and I experience it too. But it is not excessive zeal.

It's much more just impropriety, to give it a name. It's just impropriety. And impropriety isn't welcoming. It's abrasive. Repellent.

Impropriety attaches to any subject, people with impropriety can get jazzed about anything. If someone's jazzed about Jesus, but they have impropriety, then maybe you call them a religious zealot, but all I'm looking at when I label someone something unethical, is where they're advocating for violating human rights. Impropriety doesn't necessarily mean rights violations, although rights violators don't care about impropriety, but that doesn't mean those with impropriety are necessarily rights violators or promoting rights violation.

So if I'm not a zealot, then it's because I do not promote or approve rights violation. It's not because I lack impropriety. I lack impropriety, but I also condemn rights violation, and the latter thing is what makes me not a zealot, not the former.

I just don't want you to inadvertently lump me in with rights violators. I am overly zealous and zealously ideological about America, and avoiding rights violations was the whole point when our framers completed the Constitution.

LOL, my idea of a zealot is rights violators and someone who wishes to harm those who disagree with their religious, non religious ideology.

 

[Idolater]

LOL, my idea of a zealot is rights violators and someone who wishes to harm those who disagree with their religious, non religious ideology.

OK. For me rights violation and the promotion thereof is immoral, and I mean it in a public sense, like rights violations are why we have police. Not like, we need to teach people public morality, more like, if you break the law then you're going to jail. That's what public morality means to me, and that's entirely substantiated by our universal human rights. Our laws, when moral (and most all of them are, in America), protect our rights.

I'm against rights violation, and I do bristle at many (but not all) forms of impropriety.

 

[Rusha]

OK. For me rights violation and the promotion thereof is immoral, and I mean it in a public sense, like rights violations are why we have police. Not like, we need to teach people public morality, more like, if you break the law then you're going to jail. That's what public morality means to me, and that's entirely substantiated by our universal human rights. Our laws, when moral (and most all of them are, in America), protect our rights.

I'm against rights violation, and I do bristle at many (but not all) forms of impropriety.

I see rights violations as using might to invade the privacy and rights of others that doesn’t include valid protections.

 

[Clete]

If God condemned homosexuals in the OT then anyone who condemned God back then for doing so was also damned.

It wasn't just in the Old Testament.

 

[PureX]

I am telling you I am those things, I am overly zealous, I am zealously ideological and I'm a religious zealot. I identify as those things. And if you disagree, I will prove it!

I understand you're having a negative experience in your encounters with some users. I can see what you see and I experience it too. But it is not excessive zeal.

It's much more just impropriety, to give it a name. It's just impropriety. And impropriety isn't welcoming. It's abrasive. Repellent.

Many things are improper for many reasons. In this instance it's an inappropriate presumption of self-righteousness. To an absolute and unquestioned degree and in spite of it's unreasonableness, irrationality, and an offensive disrespect of others. These are behaviors often associated with zealots.

I don't see you exhibiting these behaviors so I would not normally consider you a zealot. Even though you may be a very ardent believer in Christian religious ideology.

So if I'm not a zealot, then it's because I do not promote or approve rights violation. It's not because I lack impropriety. I lack impropriety, but I also condemn rights violation, and the latter thing is what makes me not a zealot, not the former.

To me, the thing that stops you from being considered a zealot is your understanding that you could be wrong, even when you believe you are right. That enables you to listen to and consider the views and ideas of others.

I just don't want you to inadvertently lump me in with rights violators. I am overly zealous and zealously ideological about America, and avoiding rights violations was the whole point when our framers completed the Constitution.

I don't think anyone here, does. I don't.

 

[marke]

It's interesting to me how dishonest and rude zealous ideologues tend to be in conversation with others. It seems the more ardently they hold to their own self-righteousness the more weak and defensive they become in relation to others. Where the open mind is calm and curious, the closed mind is angry and defensive. Any idea that doesn't comport with the zealot's is an "enemy" idea that must be destroyed in order to maintain the presumption of total self-righteousness. And this cuts the zealot off from any honest interaction with the rest of humanity, and makes everyone else his enemy.

Is the delusion of total self-righteousness really worth all that? And it certainly doesn't strike me a Christ-like as it places the zealot at enmity with everyone they encounter.

The unsaved sinner hates the Christian because the unsaved sinner hates the Lord. It is not the Christian's fault the wicked hate him.

John 3

13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

 

[ok doser]

I see rights violations as using might to invade the privacy and rights of others that doesn’t include valid protections.

Who gets to decide what is a "valid protection"?

 

[annabenedetti]

I have a right to serve God and support the US Constitution and God Bless American patriotism, and so do they. They have no right to support or promote anti-American, anti-God radical hedonism.

They do have those rights. They have the right to be what you don't like and don't approve of, they have the right to not believe what you believe.

 

[marke]

It wasn't just in the Old Testament.

I was alluding to the fact that God condemned homosexuals to death on earth in the OT, but that there is no such law for NT saints to put homosexuals to death on earth.

 

[marke]

They do have those rights. They have the right to be what you don't like and don't approve of, they have the right to not believe what you believe.

They do not have the right to be traitors to America unless they also have the right to die for their treason if it becomes that serious.

 

[marke]

It appears to me that when a person recognizes, honestly, that they can always be wrong even when they feel and think they are right, they are no longer a zealot. They become a human; one among many, as opposed to imagining themselves to be some sort of infallible demigod, lording their imagined righteousness over everyone they encounter.

Humans can be wrong but God cannot. It is the responsibility of every sinner to seek to align himself with God on every issue.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I was alluding to the fact that God condemned homosexuals to death on earth in the OT, but that there is no such law for NT saints to put homosexuals to death on earth.

Romans 1 apparently doesn't exist in your Bible...

And no, no individual has or had, in the Old Testament times up until today, the right to put homosexuals to death. Why? Because that responsibility falls to the government.

The government is the one who should put those who commit homosexual acts to death.

 

[marke]

LOL, my idea of a zealot is rights violators and someone who wishes to harm those who disagree with their religious, non religious ideology.

Leftists are notorious for violating the rights of others, whether the leftists were Nazi murderers of Jews, American murderers of babies, democrat liars and persecutors of conservatives, republicans, and Christians, or so forth.

 

[annabenedetti]

Because Judaism is based off of the Hebrew Scriptures, aka the Old Testament.

Not enough to make a difference.

Yes it did because the whole point of my bringing it up was to show that the law you base your beliefs on had not been enforced by the very group of people who were given that law.

"Do not murder" applies equally to the Christian and non-Christian alike.

You keep wanting to limit morality to Christianity, but you cannot, because it is not.

We're not talking about "do not murder." We're talking about capital punishment for being homosexual.

But those rights do not include being a homosexual

In this country, these rights do include being a homosexual.

Again, you keep wanting to make this about a specific religion.

Again, I want to make this about being subject the the governing authorities, which in this country, are civil authorities.

No one here is advocating that any church have political power.

I didn't say that anyone was advocating any church have political power.

What I and others are advocating is an equal application of morality across the board, based on what God has told us through His word, the Bible, is good and evil.

You advocate laws based on your religious beliefs be applied to those who do not share your religious beliefs. Our civil laws don't allow that.

 

[annabenedetti]

They do not have the right to be traitors to America unless they also have the right to die for their treason if it becomes that serious.

We're not talking about treason, which breaks the law of this country, we're talking about people having the right to be what you don't like and don't approve of, and the right to not believe what you believe, all of which do not break the laws of this country.